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re: Another analyst looking at future Vol rookies, not impressed with the UTK offense....
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:21 am to meansonny
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:21 am to meansonny
quote:Yes, like the trend that Georgia’s defense has allowed more PPG every year since 2021. Decline & “not real” aren’t the same category. That’s all I’m saying.
You may be unfamiliar with the word "trend", but it is a good one and can be quite useful on occasions.
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:32 am to bamameister
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Look at the mess LSU put on the defensive side of the ball the last 2 seasons. All Brian Kelly was concerned with was scoring and it showed.
I don't really think that's true, BK always put physical teams on the field that played defense at Notre Dame. He isn't Lincoln Riley.
A lot of LSU's problems simply come from a lack of development under O, Kelly basically had no corners when he was hired, safeties were iffy, and defensive tackle was a huge question mark.
You can't just fill all of these holes out of portal and be a good defense in the SEC, they hit on a lot of transfers in 2022 and were okay but missed on a lot in 2023.
His first recruiting class was also only 15 players so they're just now getting to the place where young recruits can start developing and making an impact.
Probably still a year away from good defense IMO.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:33 am to BevoBucks
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You may be unfamiliar with the word "trend", but it is a good one and can be quite useful on occasions.
Yes, like the trend that Georgia’s defense has allowed more PPG every year since 2021. Decline & “not real” aren’t the same category. That’s all I’m saying.
Great example.
Let's stay consistent.
UGAs scoring defense against ranked opponents in 2023 was 4th in the country (15.6 ppg).
Heupel's scoring offense against ranked opponents in 2023 was 56th (18.0)
Maybe looking up the definition of words isn't going to be enough to help you as you triple down on this notion of Heupel's offensive prowess.
Lol
It isn't my duty to change your mind.
But Factually, you are trenching in a defense with an indefensible argument.
Why don't you tell me about how great his offense is that doesn't develop talent for the NFL and doesn't develop scoring opportunities against ranked opponents.
You can use ppg against non-ranked opponents. I hear he is great at that.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:35 am to SidewalkTiger
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A lot of LSU's problems simply come from a lack of development under O, Kelly basically had no corners when he was hired, safeties were iffy,
DBU?
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Probably still a year away from good defense IMO.
Which is fair and reasonable.
Is Perkins talents wasted at LSU?
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:37 am to koreandawg
Who is this “analyst” and do you feel he matters?
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:37 am to SidewalkTiger
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I don't really think that's true, BK always put physical teams on the field that played defense at Notre Dame. He isn't Lincoln Riley.
And he's not playing to his defense at LSU as he did at ND. Kelly got all excited about his offensive personnel on the bayou and played to it, to the expense of his defense. Believe it or not, your defensive personnel wasn't that bad, it was just made to look like it.
If your defense plays better this season it will be because Kelly can't do the quick strike stuff with Nussmeier as he did with Daniels. Could very well be a blessing.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:39 am to meansonny
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DBU?
They were terrible at defending the pass in O's last two seasons.
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Which is fair and reasonable.
Is Perkins talents wasted at LSU?
Perkins is always going to be a hard player to use correctly until he learns to play a specific position.
He's too small to play edge but struggles in pass coverage.
His future is either as an ILB or some type of box safety, which they experimented with last season but ultimately weren't able to capitalize on.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 11:48 am
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:41 am to koreandawg
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17 games, 23 receptions, 373 yards, 0 TDs on a team
Without a QB. 3 different QBs played and none are NFL QBs. There is a reason they are taking a QB in the draft this year.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:41 am to bamameister
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And he's not playing to his defense at LSU as he did at ND. Kelly got all excited about his offensive personnel on the bayou and played to it, to the expense of his defense. Believe it or not, your defensive personnel wasn't that bad, it was just made to look like it.
If your defense plays better this season it will be because Kelly can't do the quick strike stuff with Nussmeier as he did with Daniels. Could very well be a blessing.
LSU didn't have a problem with their defense getting gassed last year, they were usually struggling from the opening kickoff.
If anything, they hurt themselves by constantly giving up first downs on third and long plays, leading to some really long drives by opponents.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:47 am to meansonny
quote:How in the world did this statement become this?
Decline & “not real” aren’t the same category. That’s all I’m saying.
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as you triple down on this notion of Heupel's offensive prowess.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:50 am to SidewalkTiger
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DBU?
But the offense left them exposed for much of the season. Your front 7 was considered good and at the end of the year, they too were shot and looked a lot like some of the defenses Kiffin and Heupel has put on the field. Nothing good will come from the offense leaving the defense out to dry, game after game.
The elite teams will expose you. Even Les Miles had that figured out. That's why he fought so hard for a dominating defense and conservative offense, that could control TOP. He wasn't wrong, he just didn't evolve on offense enough to keep beating the elite. But in all fairness, BAMA was and is a hell of a mountain to be climbing every season.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 12:00 pm to bamameister
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But the offense left them exposed for much of the season. Your front 7 was considered good and at the end of the year, they too were shot and looked a lot like some of the defenses Kiffin and Heupel has put on the field. Nothing good will come from the offense leaving the defense out to dry, game after game.
The elite teams will expose you. Even Les Miles had that figured out. That's why he fought so hard for a dominating defense and conservative offense, that could control TOP. He wasn't wrong, he just didn't evolve on offense enough to keep beating the elite. But in all fairness, BAMA was and is a hell of a mountain to be climbing every season.
I don't disagree with this generally. That was a lot of the struggle with LSU's defense in 2019 but that wasn't the problem with LSU's defense last season.
They were just bad, they pretty consistently gave up touchdowns on the first drive of the game, even to some pretty bad teams.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 4/24/24 at 12:13 pm to SidewalkTiger
Tennessee's defense actually improved last year. Total defense was 32, 3rd down D was 42. It’s expected to be even better this year. It’s taken some time to improve a depleted defensive roster and develop quality depth but that doesn’t seem to be an issue at this point. Having a QB that was still a project halfway through the season and key injuries in the secondary were the limiting factors for Tennessee last year.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 12:14 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I don't disagree with this generally. That was a lot of the struggle with LSU's defense in 2019 but that wasn't the problem with LSU's defense last season.
They were just bad, they pretty consistently gave up touchdowns on the first drive of the game, even to some pretty bad teams.
Fatigue isn't the only symptom of defenses left exposed by these HUNH spread offenses. In time, bad fundamentals start slipping in as they line up against these spread offenses in practice every day. I've never seen an LSU team tackle as crappy as I saw last season, have you? Pretty soon defenses are quickly on their heels in space, chasing less talented players because they are half a step behind. They can't tackle, stay in phase, and can't get lined up fast enough. To name just a few of the fundamental issues these HUNH defenses inherit.
I give Kirby Smart all the credit in the world. He stuck to his defensive strengths and is trying to evolve his offense and maintain his defensive principles. It's the hardest dance in the world to stay that balanced.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 12:22 pm to BevoBucks
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Decline & “not real” aren’t the same category. That’s all I’m saying.
How in the world did this statement become this?
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as you triple down on this notion of Heupel's offensive prowess.
First, you strawman the UGA defense which actually was very strong last season. Especially when using the same metrics that I was critically discussing with regards to Heupel's offense.
Were you making a valid point? Or failing to even make a strawman anecdote?
Second, you haven't presented any evidence that the Heupel offensive mystique is real. I literally gave you the opportunity to defend your stance before this terd reply of yours and you chose to deflect.
Do you want to throw in any new deflections or questions? Or actually present why you think the Heupel offense isn't a mirage built up off the backs of the sisters of the poor?
Posted on 4/24/24 at 12:46 pm to koreandawg
You seem smart. Let me get this straight, you think a coach who finished 7th, 1st, 36th in scoring offense isn’t running a “good” offensive scheme? By the way the 36th in scoring offense this season was after losing most of the offensive weapons from the previous two seasons so of course the numbers were going to drop. Lane Kiffin is a great offensive coach and went 24th, 28th, and 16th in that same timeframe. Alabama who also has fielded some great offensive units went 6th, 4th, and 23rd respectively with far greater talent. Is he an offensive prodigy? No, but he is a very good offensive coach who has had more success than his predecessors dating back to Fulmer.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 1:01 pm to meansonny
quote:Never thought saying Tennessee’s offense is ok would get jimmies this rustled. Gotta love the Rant.
First, you strawman the UGA defense which actually was very strong last season. Especially when using the same metrics that I was critically discussing with regards to Heupel's offense.
Were you making a valid point? Or failing to even make a strawman anecdote?
Second, you haven't presented any evidence that the Heupel offensive mystique is real. I literally gave you the opportunity to defend your stance before this terd reply of yours and you chose to deflect.
Do you want to throw in any new deflections or questions? Or actually present why you think the Heupel offense isn't a mirage built up off the backs of the sisters of the poor?
Posted on 4/24/24 at 1:04 pm to koreandawg
Who gives a shite what a guy named “graham” thinks about Tennessee’s offense. All that matters is if the kid can play. Fat Josh’s offense gives playmakers a chance to show if they have the piss and vinegar
Posted on 4/24/24 at 2:01 pm to BevoBucks
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Never thought saying Tennessee’s offense is ok
Tennessee's offense is OK at outscoring opponents (outscoring opponents was your original premise... as opposed to developing players for the NFL).
I can live with that. Vandy's offense was equally OK against ranked opponents last season.
If Tennessee's offense is OK, where does that mark their defense?
Posted on 4/24/24 at 2:11 pm to meansonny
quote:Then we agree.
Tennessee's offense is OK at outscoring opponents
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