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Annual History of the Playoff Selection Committee Decisions - Final 2022 Update

Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:36 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:36 am
I make this thread every year to attempt to inform people on the topic, since many have zero clue. It's head scratching that most poeple think that this process is throwing darts at a wall when in reality there is a pretty clear and set pattern of what to expect. Now that the season is winding down I figured this was a good time to bring this back. Here is the top 4, number 5, and Notre Dame every year of the playoffs.

2014
1) Alabama 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to ole miss.
2) Oregon 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to Arizona.
3) FSU 13-0. Conf champion.
4) Ohio State 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to VT
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5) Baylor 11-1. Co-champ. Loss to WVU
ND: Nonfactor at 8-5

2015
1) Clemson 13-0. Conf champion.
2) Alabama 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to ole miss
3) Michigan State 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to Nebraska.
4) Oklahoma 11-1. Conf champion. Los to Texas.
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5) Iowa 12-1. Non-champ. Loss to MSU in title game
ND: 10-2, losses to Clemson and Stanford. 8th in playoff rankings

2016
1) Alabama 13-0. Conf champion.
2)Clemson 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to Pitt
3) Ohio State 11-1. Non-champ. Loss to Penn State.
4) Washington 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to USC.
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5) Penn State 11-2. Conf champion. Loss to Pitt and Michigan
ND: Non factor

2017
1) Clemson 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to Syracuse.
2) Oklahoma 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to Iowa State.
3) UGA 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to Auburn.
4) Alabama 11-1. Non-champ. Loss to Auburn.
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5) Ohio State 11-2. Conf champion. Loss to Oklahoma and Iowa
ND: 10-3, losses to UGA, Miami, Stanford. 14th in playoff rankings

2018
1) Alabama 13-0. Conf champion.
2) Clemson 13-0. Conf champion.
3) Notre Dame 12-0.
4) Oklahoma 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to Texas.
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5) UGA 11-2. Non-champ. Loss to LSU and Alabama in title game


2019
1) LSU 13-0. Conf champion.
2) Ohio State 13-0. Conf champion.
3) Clemson 13-0. Conf champion.
4) Oklahoma 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to Kansas St.
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5) UGA 11-2. Non-champ. Loss to South Carolina and LSU in title game
ND: 10-2, losses to UGA and Michigan. 15th in playoff rankings


2020
1) Alabama 11-0. Conf champion.
2) Clemson 10-1. Conf champion. Loss to ND
3) Ohio State 6-0. Conf champion.
4) Notre Dame 10-1. Non-conf champion. Loss to clemson in title game
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5) Texas A&M 8-1. Non-champ. Loss to alabama


2021
1) Alabama 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to aTm
2) Michigan 12-1. Conf champion. Loss to Michigan St.
3) UGA 12-1. Loss to Alabama in CCG.
4) Cincinnati 13-0. Conf champion (G5).
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5) Notre Dame 11-1. Loss to Cincinnati.


2022
1) Georgia 13-0. Conf champion.
2) Michigan 13-0. Conf champion.
3) TCU 12-1. Loss to Kansas St. in CCG.
4) Ohio State 11-1. Loss to Michigan.
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5) Alabama 10-2. Losses to Tennessee and LSU.
Notre Dame 8-4. Finished 21st in rankings



With 5 Power Conferences and 4 playoff spots, obviously a conference is going to get left out each year. Here are those cases:

2014: Big 12 where Baylor and TCU were co-champions with 11-1 records. No title game.
2015: Pac 12 champ Stanford. 11-2 with losses to Northwestern and Oregon
2016: Big 12 champ Oklahoma. 10-2 with losses to Houston and Ohio State. No title game.
2017: Big 10 champ Ohio State. 11-2 with losses to Oklahoma and Iowa. Also the Pac12 champ USC. 11-2 with losses to Washington State and Notre Dame
2018: Big 10 champ Ohio State. 12-1 with loss to Purdue. Also Pac12 champ Washington. 10-3 with losses to Auburn, Oregon, and Cal.
2019: Pac 12 champ oregon. 11-2 with losses to Auburn and Ariz. State.
2020: Big 12 champ oklahoma. 8-2 with losses to kansas state and iowa state. Also the Pac 12 champ Oregon finishing at 25th in the rankings. 4-2 with losses to oregon state and cal.
2021: Big 12 Champ Baylor. 11-2 with losses to Ok.St. and TCU. Also Pac 12 Champ Utah, 10-3 with losses to BYU, San Diego st, and Oregon STate. Also ACC champ Pittsburgh, 11-2 with losses to Western Michigan and Miami.
2022: ACC Champ Clemson. 10-2 with losses to ND and South Carolina. Pac 12 Champ Utah, 10-3 with losses to Florida, UCLA, and Oregon. Big 12 Champ Kansas State, 10-3 with losses to Tulane, TCU, and Texas.


This is a lot of data to go on but presents us with a pretty clear picture of how the committee operates:

-First, you almost surely need to win your conference. Of 36 playoff teams, only 6 of them (16%) made it without winning their conference (2016 Ohio State, 2017 alabama, 2020 notre dame, 2021 UGA, 2022 TCU and OSU).
-As a follow up to the point above, let’s look at WHY those 6 non-champs made it. ’16 OSU made it over #5 Penn State because they only had 1 loss compared to 2 for PSU. Ditto for ’17 bama who made it over #5 OSU because OSU had 2 losses compared to just 1 for bama. 2020 covid year was a weird one but Notre Dame had the same number of losses as team #5, but they also had 2 more wins, had a win over a top 4 team (splitting the season series with them), played for their conference title while #5 didn't win their division, and the #5 team had already lost to who they'd be paired with in the first round. 2021 UGA and 2021 ND had somewhat similar resumes in that both were non-champions that lost to a team in the playoffs, but UGA had one more victory and played in a CCG unlike ND. They also had a stronger resume as evidenced by them being the consensus #1 team for well over half the season. TCU and OSU made it in 2022 becuase teh next 2 teams competing for a playoff spot, alabama and tennessee, had 2 losses and didn't win their division.
-No team thus far has made the playoffs with more than 1 loss.
-Notre Dame, despite being a media darling or is said to have special privileges, has only made the playoffs twice and they went undefeated or 1-loss to do so. Last year they finished with only 1 loss and still were left out.
-Never in the history of the playoffs has a team that did not win their conference made the playoffs over a team that did win their conference with an equal or better record. I emphasize this last point because it is by far the biggest thing people overlook or simply ignore. People always point to 2017 and 2021 as support for why a team may make the playoffs while completely ignoring the fact that other P5 conferences actually exist and will have a champion.

The bottom line on making the playoffs is 1)Win your conference 2) If you don't win your conference, you need other P5 champions to have multiple losses. Simple as that.

This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 7:46 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:37 am to
All of the above gives us a framework for how they’ve chosen historically, but where are we today as of 11/14?

Tier 1A: These teams are in full control of their destiny in the sense of “If you win the rest of your games, you will 100% be in the playoffs”- UGA, Ohio State, Michigan, TCU, and USC are all in full control.
Tier 1B: These teams are mostly in control in the sense that they will PROBABLY, MOST LIKELY make the playoffs if they win the rest of their games, but it’s not a 100% guarantee: LSU, Clemson, UNC. LSU would be a major conference winner with 2 losses. While no team has made it under that scenario before, there is a halfway precedent looking at 2017 AU who would’ve certainly gone had they won the SEC. However, that hypothetical AU champion would have both better wins AND better losses than this 2022 LSU. We have seen numerous examples of major programs in P5 conferences (Oklahoma, Ohio State, Oregon) win their league with 2 losses and not make the playoffs so it’s not a slam dunk. As for the ACC, their conference being SO incredibly crappy has caught up to them. Ordinarily a 1-loss P5 champ is a stone cold lock. But the only reason the ACC champ is here in Tier 1B and not 1A is because if the 0/1 loss champions of the 4 conferences listed in 1A win out, the ACC would be on the outside looking in.

“Needs some help” tier: This team didn’t win their division, has some quality wins, has only 1 loss, and the loss was to a top 3 team. Tennessee? Well, yeah them too but this also applies to the OSU/UM loser. Originally I wouldn’t have considered them very much but when you look at the facts of their resume listed above, if you include UT because of it why wouldn’t you also include that other game loser as well? These teams are not out of playoff contention, and certainly got helped by Oregon losing Saturday, but they still need help from others to have any shot. You can also throw UGA in here if they lose the SECCG. People will of course point to last year as a kneejerk reaction, but there simply wasn't a better option to replace us with. If OkSt (1 loss heading into final weekend) wins the Big 12 I contend they make it over us but they tripped up. There were no other P5 conference champs with less than 2 losses so we kinda went by default. If we lose the SECCG we're right there with UT and OSU/UM loser as a 1 loss team wiht a great resume that is keeping its fingers crossed.

Those 9 teams listed above are the only ones with any real, practical shot left at the playoffs. Sure there could be some kind of video game disaster scenario where a bunch of 2-loss teams enter the mix but it’s so far fetched it’s not even worth thinking about. This upcoming weekend could shake some things out as we have UCLA/USC and TCU/Baylor, then the following weekend we have OSU/UM. But of course, the next week for conference championship weekend is when we’ll know for sure how this thing will go. Winning a P5 conference is a major, massive part of your overall resume so we really don’t have the full picture of who will go until then.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 8:03 am
Posted by llfshoals
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:44 am to
quote:

Winning a P5 conference is a major, massive part of your overall resume so we really don’t have the full picture of who will go until then.
A really good write up.

Those of us who have been in the playoffs before have seen it all play out before. Those who never had a chance fail to understand it, because they never had a reason to pay attention to it.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:49 am to
Definitely. I see a lot of people looking at UT's ranking and saying "well their currently 5th, all they need is a team ahead to lose and they're in the top 4". This aint the coaches poll, it doesn't work like that lol.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:52 am to
Nice post.

I think the fixation with AQs in the upcoming 12-team playoff and the fact that Ohio State made it in 2020 (having only played six games) points to this having always been about getting the "best" team in from each conference.

Much to our chagrin in the SEC, it's never really been about getting the overall best four teams in.
Posted by wadewilson
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:52 am to
quote:

However, that hypothetical AU champion would have both better wins AND better losses than this 2022 LSU.


Ehhhh

Auburn lost to a top 10 Clemson early and an unranked LSU in October.

LSU lost to an unranked FSU week 1 and a top 10 Tennessee in October.

Auburn beat top 10 Georgia and Alabama in the last 3 weeks.

LSU has top 10 wins over Ole Miss and Alabama, and if they win out, would have a 3rd over Georgia.

2017 Auburn does not have a stronger case than 2022 LSU would. Sure, you can say the Tennessee loss is worse, but we lost to our unranked opponent in week 1, with a brand new coach and 2 deep, when the other team warmed up with a week zero game.

Auburn lost their unranked match mid-season, 2 weeks after we lost to Troy.

Look, I don't think LSU is winning the SEC, but if pigs fly and LSU wins they're a lock for the playoff.

If not, we're seeing that playoff expansion in 2024, not 2026.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 7:54 am
Posted by Tiger1944
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:53 am to
Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:55 am to
quote:

wadewilson


In this hypothetical scenario:

AU best wins:
#1 UGA
#1 Alabama
#6 UGA (all within the last month of the season)

Losses:
@ Clemson and @ LSu by a combined 12 points

LSU best wins:
#1 UGA
Top 10 Bama
Top 5 Tennessee

Losses:

FSU(neutral) and UT (home) by 28 points

Posted by Tarpon08
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:55 am to
Well.

That looks to me like Tennessee is fricked.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:57 am to
quote:

That looks to me like Tennessee is fricked.


they are definitely fricked if people hold serve, but wiht the Pac 12 being...well, how they are...the door isn't shut entirely. But they certainly shouldn't feel as comfortbale about it as they apparently do.
Posted by Hussss
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:58 am to
This year, Tennessee will get in unless LSU wins the SEC.

No other team’s OOC wins come close.

If Mich beats Ohio St we will see both of them in. If Ohio St wins, Mich is out due to very weak OOC sched.

TCU makes it only if they win out but I see them taking a loss either to Baylor or in Big 12 title game.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:01 am to
quote:

Tennessee will get in unless LSU wins the SEC.


it's almost like you didn't read any of the OP

If UGA/TCU/USC win out to go along with whoever the Big 10 champ is, UT is out. No chance. It doesn't matter what other team's OOC wins are since, ya know...they'll be conference champions and all..
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:01 am to
quote:

Look, I don't think LSU is winning the SEC, but if pigs fly and LSU wins they're a lock for the playoff.


I am an LSU fan and I don't think this unless a few things happen.

1. TCU loses
2. Blowout in OSU/Michigan game
3. USC loses

If all 3 happen the committee will almost have to take 3 sec teams...and I just think that that is almost impossible
Posted by ArmydawgMD
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:03 am to
Eh just cause they've always done it doesn't mean they will keep doing it. There just hasn't been a situation egregious enough to warrant a one loss non-conference champ over a conference champ to date.

Hell, three teams didn't even win their conference yet played for a BCS national title...and that was when there were only 2 spots up for grabs
2001- Nebraska loses 36-62 to Colorado in Big 12 title game
2003 Oklahoma loses 7-35 to KSU in Big 12 game
2011- Alabama lost to LSU 6-9 in regular season

It could happen this year again, if heaven forbid UGA loses to LSU
Posted by wadewilson
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:03 am to
quote:


If all 3 happen the committee will almost have to take 3 sec teams...and I just think that that is almost impossible


You think if LSU wins out there will still be 2 SEC teams ranked higher in the committee's eyes?
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:05 am to
quote:

Eh just cause they've always done it doesn't mean they will keep doing it.


That is true of course. But logically it makes zero sense to ASSUME they will change course and do somethign they've never done before in history, until they actually do it. All of my predictions or anythign I say on the topic is based on the black and white actual facts of what they've actually done thus far. When the day comes that they throw a curve ball and deviate from the norm I'll adjust accordingly.

quote:

Hell, three teams didn't even win their conference yet played for a BCS national title.


You can't compare the BCS to teh playoffs, it's an entirely different ballgame
Posted by Referee
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:05 am to
So,you are saying aTm ain’t in it this year? DAMN!
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:06 am to
quote:

If all 3 happen the committee will almost have to take 3 sec teams


Geez man, you're the exact person OP is meant for.

In a 4 team playoff, there will never be a scenario with 3 teams from th same conference making it. Never. Impossible.
Posted by Hussss
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:06 am to
I completely disagree. Each year is independent in and of itself.

USC will not get in over Tennessee even if they win out. Their defense is horrendous and they have barely squeaked by shitty teams. No chance.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 8:08 am
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:07 am to
quote:


In this hypothetical scenario:

AU best wins:
#1 UGA
#1 Alabama
#6 UGA (all within the last month of the season)

Losses:
@ Clemson and @ LSu by a combined 12 points

LSU best wins:
#1 UGA
Top 10 Bama
Top 5 Tennessee



#1 UGA
#7 Ole Miss
#6 Alabama
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