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re: Analogy - Why 4 & 5-wide Spread Offenses slaughter good Defenses
Posted on 10/20/20 at 3:50 pm to OverseasBengal
Posted on 10/20/20 at 3:50 pm to OverseasBengal
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I imagine allowing offensive linemen to be three yards downfield on a pass play has something to do with it also. In the NFL it's only one yard
This is the huge one.
If you want a soccer analogy, stop calling attacking players offside if they're within 3 yards of the defender and you'll see scoring rise there too.
Agree that the defensive targeting plays a role too.
However, it's the RPO threat without being able to read offensive linemen that's the real problem.
That rule alone probably doubles the chance that a fairly well-designed and executed offensive play will succeed regardless of what the defense does.
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 3:54 pm to dbuchanon
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Geometry of the field hasn’t changed.
The geometry and dimensions of the space the eligible receivers occupies has changed. And it is a Sea change.
And it is too drastic a change for D's to effectively cover.
Further, the concept of a single big-dog receiver and a second-banana receiver getting almost all the targets is gone.
Now the ball can go to any receiver on the field. QB is usually throwing to an open area, not strictly a favorite target
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 10/20/20 at 4:14 pm to OverseasBengal
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I imagine allowing offensive linemen to be three yards downfield on a pass play has something to do with it also. In the NFL it's only one yard
Between this and making it nearly impossible to properly cover receivers without a penalty being called. For the most part the penalties are called fairly but it only takes a couple of uwstionable calls to make an impact. Whatever is is that Bama aand ole Miss did a few weeks back it ain’t football cause football requires a semblance of football.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 4:15 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
You gotta have 4-5 above average defensive backs to be able to cover the 4-5 wide receivers on the field to slow the offense down.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 4:18 pm to Rawanduncut
As easy as it sounds most teams don't have 4-5 above average defensive backs so a good offense or quarterback will exploit the weak link and has a great chance for success.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 4:22 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Same WR's
Boutte is the only Freshman WR getting multiple targets. The others aren't new to Brennan. They're the same WRs he's thrown to for on to three years.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 4:23 pm to Rawanduncut
Add to that you then need 4-5 defensive backs that like to/are willing to tackle because if you’re running 4 wr and 1 rb in today’s game you now have 2 runners on the field, qb and rb. If you are playing 4-2-5 your safeties and corners must be able to tackle.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 4:26 pm to Rawanduncut
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As easy as it sounds most teams don't have 4-5 above average defensive backs so a good offense or quarterback will exploit the weak link and has a great chance for success.
Also, spread teams run decoys at DB's dozens of times a game. Even the good DBs are gassed by mid 3rd quarter.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 4:48 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Boutte is the only Freshman WR getting multiple targets. The others aren't new to Brennan. They're the same WRs he's thrown to for on to three years.
I get that but you're saying it like they didnt drop passes while Brady was here but now are.
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They're the same WRs he's thrown to for on to three years.
Not really.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 4:59 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:You won’t get an answer. He doesn’t know
How so?
Posted on 10/20/20 at 5:01 pm to TearsofKnowshon
Posted on 10/20/20 at 5:20 pm to SidewalkTiger
Don't know if the stats are up yet, but LSU had near the highest if not the highest catch rate in the power-5 last season. Not the case this season.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 5:41 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Don't know if the stats are up yet, but LSU had near the highest if not the highest catch rate in the power-5 last season. Not the case this season.
Because these aren't the same receivers...
Posted on 10/20/20 at 6:16 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Because these aren't the same receivers...
Same elite athletic level. But grossly unprepared for the 2020 season - as grossly unprepared for a passing offense as the elite athletes in the 2018 WR room.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 10/20/20 at 6:19 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Not to mention June Jones was doing this at Hawaii, not Alabama, LSU, or Florida.
John Jenkins at UH back in the mid/late 80's, His WRS were literally sideline to sideline
Posted on 10/20/20 at 6:21 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Same elite athletic level. But grossly unprepared for the 2020 season - as grossly unprepared for a passing offense as the elite athletes in the 2018 WR room.
Oof!
Someone just realized they actually weren't the "same receivers" like he claimed they were earlier in the thread.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 7:40 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Someone just realized they actually weren't the "same receivers"
Are you so stupid that you think anyone missed Jets tearing up the NFL and Chase opting out?
You are desperate to nitpick everyone's syntax to try to manufacture some sort of pathetic W for yourself.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:04 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Are you so stupid that you think anyone missed Jets tearing up the NFL and Chase opting out?
You are desperate to nitpick everyone's syntax to try to manufacture some sort of pathetic W for yourself.
Lets review since you're trying to change the narrative now.
You:
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He pushed through the 10,000 jugs catches. Smart guy.
Maybe it was COVID, but there is no way Linehan got that done this Summer. Same WR's, but dropping balls like hot potatoes.
Then you doubled down:
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Boutte is the only Freshman WR getting multiple targets. The others aren't new to Brennan. They're the same WRs he's thrown to for on to three years.
And then tripled down:
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Don't know if the stats are up yet, but LSU had near the highest if not the highest catch rate in the power-5 last season. Not the case this season.
Then I repeated again that these weren't the same receivers and you completely changed your entire statement:
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Same elite athletic level. But grossly unprepared for the 2020 season - as grossly unprepared for a passing offense as the elite athletes in the 2018 WR room.
Muh these are the same receivers
Be better, son
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:52 pm to SidewalkTiger
You are playing stupid to fake a little thread win.
Hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.
Hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.
Posted on 10/21/20 at 5:25 am to Buckeye Jeaux
What's pathetic is you actually said these were the "same receivers" and then doubled and tripled down on it.
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