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Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:56 pm to KSGamecock
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It's derivative and simplistic.
And yet it's still more well known. You know why? It's world building is amazing as is the story. The appendices alone are packed full of history of middle earth. Took some serious time to do that
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:01 am to thatguy45
I'd argue Wagner's work is more well known and had a far greater impact, you just don't realize it. Everyone has heard the Ride of the Valkyries, you just didn't know it was from that piece of Wagner's work. He influenced so many people, Tolkien was just one...I mean, he and Nietzsche basically mindfricked and birthed Hitler.
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:06 am to cajuncdm
Yeah shite like that is why ya’ll don’t have a coach.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:09 am to KSGamecock
There are definitely some similarities between what Wagner made and Lord of the Rings, the big one being people fighting over a ring that gives them power. And I imagine that he did influence Tolkien
Still Lord of the Rings is very well known, and I would not describe a book that helps setup an entire mythology of a fictional world as simplistic
Still Lord of the Rings is very well known, and I would not describe a book that helps setup an entire mythology of a fictional world as simplistic
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:18 am to thatguy45
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Still Lord of the Rings is very well known,
Super celebrated in the anglo-sphere where it's readily accessible, outside of english speaking countries not so much while Wagners operas are still played widely to this day as far as Japan where they eat it up.
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I would not describe a book that helps setup an entire mythology of a fictional world as simplistic
Tolkien's work is only slightly more complex than that of his buddy C.S. Lewis. It has all the nuance you would expect from an Englishman inspired by WW2 propaganda. Bad guys do bad stuff because they're bad, then the good guys win.
It's simple, boring, and played the hell out. I give him credit for the attention he gave the genre and doors he opened but it was not some perfect or innovative work. He borrowed from others....a lot.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:30 am to KSGamecock
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Super celebrated in the anglo-sphere where it's readily accessible, outside of english speaking countries not so much while Wagners operas are still played widely to this day as far as Japan where they eat it up.
You may be right. I don't really know what they like in other parts of the world, just what is popular here.
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Bad guys do bad stuff because they're bad, then the good guys win.
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It's simple, boring, and played the hell out.
Sure it's views are simpler than more recent stories with grey areas in them, and it's not as edgy as ASOIF/game of thrones, but it's still very rich in it's world building. I also tend to enjoy a story more when I find it easier to not hate a character. Game of thrones (the tv show not the book)kind of ruined stannis for me by having him burn his daughter, which relates back to the edgieness.
Lewis' is slightly less complex as you've said, although I have only read some of his work.
If you want truly simple stories from the genre, that's Conan. Good vs bad, mostly short stories so not a ton of world building is done and Howard's stories begin to repeat their plot in one form or another after his first few. Still enjoyed Hour of the Dragon though
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:40 am to cajuncdm
Not bad. The Schiano reaction is what really makes this story unique. It amazes me how few people are involved in these searches. Never heard of anyone described as being nose deep in a guy’s armpit before. Sounds like more of an aggie thing.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:43 am to cyde
Thank god for uBlock. I can strip out that awful, huge fricking header. 
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:31 am to cajuncdm
Decent read, but it requires belief that Gruden was actually going to happen this time. Perhaps it's cognitive dissonance on my part, but I simply don't think that was actually going to happen.
More likely to me, is that Currie let the Gruden stuff continue knowing it wasn't going to happen so as to serve as a smokescreen so he could get the guy he and Haslam wanted. (For the record, I actually thought the Schiano hire would have been successful, and I was concerned about what he could do in Knoxville).
The problem with that strategy of deception, as we've clearly seen, is that Currie underestimated the vitriol of the UTK fanbase, and didn't have the stones to ride out his initial decision.
Whichever theory is correct, Currie clearly doesn't have the sack for the job for which he was hired.
More likely to me, is that Currie let the Gruden stuff continue knowing it wasn't going to happen so as to serve as a smokescreen so he could get the guy he and Haslam wanted. (For the record, I actually thought the Schiano hire would have been successful, and I was concerned about what he could do in Knoxville).
The problem with that strategy of deception, as we've clearly seen, is that Currie underestimated the vitriol of the UTK fanbase, and didn't have the stones to ride out his initial decision.
Whichever theory is correct, Currie clearly doesn't have the sack for the job for which he was hired.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:34 am to Torch
It's not feasible at all. There's no fricking way Gruden signed an MOU with UT.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 5:37 am to cajuncdm
Currie only has one master, Haslam.
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