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re: After Week 13 SoS rankings.

Posted on 11/25/24 at 6:40 pm to
Posted by Trumansfangs
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 6:40 pm to
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I mean, it’s fair.

SEC posters on here are bashing every other conference but also want to bash the schedule of the team leading their own conference.















I love you too bro !
Posted by Zuzu16
Callaway County
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:09 pm to
Well, good for you. There’s your little moral victory, bless your heart.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 7:17 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36697 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:38 pm to
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Yet if you could beat unranked teams like we do it wouldn't even be a problem now would it? How can anyone take a team serious that gets embarrassed by a team with literally no offense. Our strength of schedule is the least of your issues Bama Boy


I'm just posting stats because they are interesting and I think other SoS methods are flawed, no need to cry.

Do Texas fans even know what SoS is and means? It doesn't seem so.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36697 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:41 pm to
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Only shitty teams clutch on to SOS rankings.

You know how to make your SOS go up? Lose to your opponent.

Dumbasses.


Alabama losing to Vandy and Oklahoma increased your SoS since you don't play Alabama.

Put the crack pipe down.

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36697 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:43 pm to
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It still suffers from the main flaw in all SOS rankings; not enough meaningful OOC games to draw meaningful comparisons.


Not much you can do about the bubble, but opponent adjusted ranks do somewhat ok using the few games we get. I'd love to see more OOC games and more links between conferences, which is part of the reason I hate people pushing the 9 game schedule.

G5 provide valuable data, but FCS does not.
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:45 pm to
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Alabama losing to Vandy and Oklahoma increased your SoS since you don't play Alabama.


Did you know that Texas SOS went down every time we played except once (Georgia).

Why, because we won, which downgrades the "strength" of the opponent.

After we beat Aggie, their "strength" will be downgraded.

Are you getting this?
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36697 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:47 pm to
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Why, because we won, which downgrades the "strength" of the opponent.


False. Playing good teams often increases the strength of the opponent because these are opponent adjusted stats.

Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
3373 posts
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:51 pm to
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Only shitty teams clutch on to SOS rankings. You know how to make your SOS go up? Lose to your opponent. Dumbasses.


Metrics are a little more advanced and I believe this one does the opposite.
1. Does not count your opponents’ games against you.
2. Will count your wins against those opponents when figuring SOS for other teams that play those opponents.
The result is that winning will actually help your SOS at least as it compares to your peers who share opponents.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:52 pm to
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Indiana now has a SoS as good as Texas, and they both got blown out by the 1 good team they played.


Didn’t Texas get blown out at home by the one good team they played?
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36697 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:54 am to
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Didn’t Texas get blown out at home by the one good team they played?


Did you read what you quoted?

quote:

Indiana now has a SoS as good as Texas, and they both got blown out by the 1 good team they played.
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 9:55 am
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
36697 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 10:09 am to
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Metrics are a little more advanced and I believe this one does the opposite.
1. Does not count your opponents’ games against you.
2. Will count your wins against those opponents when figuring SOS for other teams that play those opponents.
The result is that winning will actually help your SOS at least as it compares to your peers who share opponents.


Sometimes, it depends.

It's not based solely on wins and losses, aka some kind of binary result like the most basic SoS methods which use opponent win%. Those are terrible.

As you say, you can lose a game and still be considered the better team by the metrics because you moved the ball well, and so on. Which is understandable, because the best team doesn't always win, and we need to rate them on a scale instead of some binary pass/fail.

But you can also lose a game and it hurt you as well. It's all a matter of who you are playing and how you do.

So, take the Texas vs Vandy game. That game increased the power of Vandy, which in turn increases the SoS for Texas. Because it was a close game and Vandy played them tough. IIRC, Vandy gained about 10 spots after that game.

But then you take the Oklahoma vs Alabama game this past weekend. That game hurt Alabama's power score because it wasn't all that close. Alabama dropped like 4 spots. Oklahoma's SoS took a small hit, along with everyone else who played Alabama this year.

Which is exactly as it should be.

It's the same for everyone. At best the only thing you can say is that your good team can't play itself. So for example, if Alabama is #1 and say Auburn is #50, and they both played the exact same schedule, then Auburn's schedule would be rated as more difficult. All because of the 1 game.

But that's not why Texas is sitting down at #40.

This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 10:11 am
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
42218 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:09 am to
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3. Oklahoma 2.48

40. Texas 1.04


Man I'd be pissed if I was an OU fan. First Lincoln, then rolling in to the SEC with this.

I will be shocked if Texas doesn't get smacked in the CFP. Borderline frauds.
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 11:10 am
Posted by PuertoRicanBlaze
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Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:12 am to
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Just wondering, what is Washington's schedule? I bet DeBoer misses that regular season schedule he had last year.


I dunno, USC and Cal had their way with two SEC teams this year, one of which is gonna wax Bama's dick hair Saturday.
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 11:13 am
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7613 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:50 am to
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Why? Kirby's made a career out of it


And guess how many losses UGA had (to either the ranked or unranked teams) in those regular seasons?

Answer: 0.

They also played 2 ranked OOC teams in those 3 years (Clemson and Oregon). Won both of them too.

Nobody blames Texas for the schedule they got handed. But you have to WIN against the good teams you play when you have a schedule like that, otherwise you won't be viewed as being very good.

And Texas lost their only game against a ranked opponent this year.

At home.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
3239 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 1:05 pm to
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How can anyone take a team serious that gets embarrassed by a team with literally no offense.


Oh the Iron Knee


Beck had 175 yds & a QBR in the 70s and still beat Texas by 2 scores
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 1:05 pm
Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
1743 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 1:23 pm to
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Beck had 175 yds & a QBR in the 70s and still beat Texas by 2 scores


So you are equating losing to probably the best team in the sec with losing to ou?
At least you outed yourself as a retard so there is no question of it.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
3239 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 6:18 pm to
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So you are equating losing to probably the best team in the sec with losing to ou?


Thanks for complimenting the UGA defense, but seriously do you know how bad you have to be to have a QB rating in the 70s?? Brock Vandagriff and Jackson Arnold combined have been above that in 18/20 games this year.
Posted by HorninHouston
Member since Sep 2024
1743 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 6:25 pm to
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Thanks for complimenting the UGA defense, but seriously do you know how bad you have to be to have a QB rating in the 70s?? Brock Vandagriff and Jackson Arnold combined have been above that in 18/20 games this year.


You didn't win that game because of your offense. You won that game because your defense played incredible that night.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39387 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 6:33 pm to
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I'd love to see more OOC games and more links between conferences, which is part of the reason I hate people pushing the 9 game schedule.


The committee shits on your idea.
Posted by Foy
Member since Nov 2009
4522 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 6:36 pm to
Alabama way too high.
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