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Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:08 pm to cyde
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They feel pretty confident about what they think the NCAA has. If they're wrong, though, and they play him... and the NCAA has some sort of ace up their sleeve, this sort of statement might invite something like failure to monitor or lack of institutional control.
This isn't like most cases. A&M is not implicated in any way so the NCAA should be working with A&M. That's how the process is designed. The point is to get it right and two competing investigations does little good.
The NCAA's goal isn't to hold anything back for some sort of gotcha moment later. If they have something, it's almost sure to be in A&M's hands and vice versa.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:11 pm to tmc94
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This isn't like most cases. A&M is not implicated in any way so the NCAA should be working with A&M. That's how the process is designed. The point is to get it right and two competing investigations does little good.
The NCAA's goal isn't to hold anything back for some sort of gotcha moment later. If they have something, it's almost sure to be in A&M's hands and vice versa.
Entirely possible. I never claimed to be good at reading the tea leaves in situations like this, though. It's normally why I don't try to do it.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:11 pm to fooz
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:11 pm to fooz
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at the opening of the Texas A&M School of Law in Fort Worth.
yah! aggie lawyers. hey, maybe now y'all can get that half a million dollars y'all say LSU owes you.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:14 pm to tmc94
I'm just saying ESPN does this to everyone when there is a strong public interest because they are an entertainment network first and foremost.
They did it to Bama and Auburn in the 1990s, in more recent times Auburn with Cam, Ohio State with Claret and Pryor, USC with Bush, and many others.
So the idea that they have some specific grudge against A&M or Manziel, in my opinion, lacks solid ground.
ESPN is like Finebaum they love to stir shite up but for the most part, they are equal opportunity shite stirrers.
They did it to Bama and Auburn in the 1990s, in more recent times Auburn with Cam, Ohio State with Claret and Pryor, USC with Bush, and many others.
So the idea that they have some specific grudge against A&M or Manziel, in my opinion, lacks solid ground.
ESPN is like Finebaum they love to stir shite up but for the most part, they are equal opportunity shite stirrers.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:16 pm to Othello
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ESPN is like Finebaum they love to stir shite up but for the most part, they are equal opportunity shite stirrers.
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advantage: aggy. Whoop.
This post was edited on 8/21/13 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:23 pm to Othello
Most Aggies' think this is more about Rovell specifically than ESPN.
He Tweeted at Johnny when he was at Pebble Beach in May hinting that he was suspicious of how he could afford something like that, and Johnny tweeted back that he was there with his family
A few weeks ago, Rovell himself admitted on Twitter that this story wasn't happening because of brokers coming forward, itw as happening because people didn't like Johnny's off the field behavior
It is personal. Not sure how this is some crazy Aggie conspiricy theory. Rovell has made the executive decision that Manziel is a d-bag and bad for college football, and he feels that it is for the greater good that he be taken down.
If Rovell really wanted to be an objective reporter, he'd look into the overall issue of all star college players signing autographs in mass quantaties. If you think your team's best player(s) have never once been paid a dime for an autograph, I don't know what to tell you.
He Tweeted at Johnny when he was at Pebble Beach in May hinting that he was suspicious of how he could afford something like that, and Johnny tweeted back that he was there with his family
A few weeks ago, Rovell himself admitted on Twitter that this story wasn't happening because of brokers coming forward, itw as happening because people didn't like Johnny's off the field behavior
It is personal. Not sure how this is some crazy Aggie conspiricy theory. Rovell has made the executive decision that Manziel is a d-bag and bad for college football, and he feels that it is for the greater good that he be taken down.
If Rovell really wanted to be an objective reporter, he'd look into the overall issue of all star college players signing autographs in mass quantaties. If you think your team's best player(s) have never once been paid a dime for an autograph, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:24 pm to Othello
did I say ESPN had some kind of grudge against A&M?
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:26 pm to tmc94
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did I say ESPN had some kind of grudge against A&M?
I don't think you did, specifically, but this was on the last page:
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Balls!! He has some..SUCK IT ESPN and the rest of the media! Johnny will be playing against rice..All this crap has been a Witch Hunt, and its time we BURN the ones pointing fingers..
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:28 pm to tmc94
It's basically a move by Sharp to get ESPN to distance themselves from Rovell.
So glad that John Sharp is now the Chancellor and not Mike "head up Rick Perry's arse" McKinney.
So glad that John Sharp is now the Chancellor and not Mike "head up Rick Perry's arse" McKinney.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:36 pm to cyde
well, he replied to me which had me confused.
I think more than anything what we've seen is bad journalism. Anonymous sources without corroboration. Altering stories without an editorial comment. Assuming guilt before evidence is properly presented. But that's everywhere and happens to everyone. I think it's somewhat normal to feel victimized when you are in the crosshairs. So of course some Ags are going to bitch.
But I'm a realist. ESPN should probably hold themselves to a higher standard but they don't and bitching about it just gives you tired head. There is evidence or there isn't. And we'll all move on with our lives either way.
I think more than anything what we've seen is bad journalism. Anonymous sources without corroboration. Altering stories without an editorial comment. Assuming guilt before evidence is properly presented. But that's everywhere and happens to everyone. I think it's somewhat normal to feel victimized when you are in the crosshairs. So of course some Ags are going to bitch.
But I'm a realist. ESPN should probably hold themselves to a higher standard but they don't and bitching about it just gives you tired head. There is evidence or there isn't. And we'll all move on with our lives either way.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:46 pm to tmc94
I've seen countless Aggies blame ESPN so I just meant it towards them in general. I don't know much about Rovelle so he may have an agenda.
At this point I think the NCAA is waiting on A&M and calling their bluff. IMO, the NCAA will not make any public decision until after the Bama game and maybe even after the season and then will either do nothing or vacate wins or whatever based on whether A&M suspends him the first two games.
It is my strong opinion that there is no way in hell that A&M or the NCAA will suspend him at all until after the Bama game.
I'll be especially shocked if A&M suspends him at all.
At this point I think the NCAA is waiting on A&M and calling their bluff. IMO, the NCAA will not make any public decision until after the Bama game and maybe even after the season and then will either do nothing or vacate wins or whatever based on whether A&M suspends him the first two games.
It is my strong opinion that there is no way in hell that A&M or the NCAA will suspend him at all until after the Bama game.
I'll be especially shocked if A&M suspends him at all.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:46 pm to cyde
it's certainly overblown but the truth it's that journalism 101. You alter a story a week after the fact, you put in an editorial note why. It's fine to do it. But it's high school journalism to do so with no explanation.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:46 pm to redbean5
Eat more shite everybody. you should be used to it by now. Say its tasty - say its fricking tasty.
Dumbasses.
Dumbasses.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:47 pm to Othello
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It is my strong opinion that there is no way in hell that A&M or the NCAA will suspend him at all until after the Bama game.
take off the tinfoil hat. If there is evidence that warrants a suspension, he will be suspended and if not, he won't. It has nothing to do with anything else.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:47 pm to tmc94
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it's certainly overblown but the truth it's that journalism 101. You alter a story a week after the fact, you put in an editorial note why. It's fine to do it. But it's high school journalism to do so with no explanation.
Well, given what was changed, I'd assume that, if there was any bigger reason, it was because one of the sources said that he changed his mind about going to the NCAA.
It is curious that ESPN hasn't said anything about why it was done one way or the other, though.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:51 pm to cyde
I think the comment removed was (paraphrased) "none of ESPN's sources witnessed money being paid". Removing it suggests someone did witness that and that's a fairly important item that would warrant a new article rather than an alteration of an old article.
For the life of me I don't understand why they would have done that. But they did and whatever the reason, it's just poor journalism.
For the life of me I don't understand why they would have done that. But they did and whatever the reason, it's just poor journalism.
Posted on 8/21/13 at 10:52 pm to tmc94
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I think the comment removed was (paraphrased) "none of ESPN's sources witnessed money being paid". Removing it suggests someone did witness that and that's a fairly important item that would warrant a new article rather than an alteration of an old article.
No, you're right. I misremembered exactly what was removed. I knew it was one of those hotly-contested points.
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For the life of me I don't understand why they would have done that. But they did and whatever the reason, it's just poor journalism.
Maybe they're working on a whole other story about the dealer changing his claim and they scooped themselves?
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