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re: A lot of the FSU white knighting depends on criteria that is not in the CFP protocol
Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:59 am to pankReb
Posted on 12/4/23 at 9:59 am to pankReb
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There's a hell of a lot more 2-3 loss teams than 0-1 loss teams.
Now guess how many undefeated P5 teams there were in all of CFB. I am pretty sure the committee could have managed at least that amount.
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Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:00 am to Terrific Tales
quote:Remember everyone talking shite about Bama not having Metchie or Williams? “Injuries are part of the game”?
but Alabama doesn’t get penalized for playing a non-full strength Georgia
Yeah. It still applies.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:00 am to WG_Dawg
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SOS
Is just one of the determining factors. It's just one of the straws that broke the camels back.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:02 am to Terrific Tales
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Hmmmmmmmm so like for example FSU gets penalized for having a hurt QB, but Alabama doesn’t get penalized for playing a non-full strength Georgia
An injured player on your team =/= an injured player from an opposing team.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:05 am to Diego Ricardo
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Diego Ricardo
Upvoted for injecting logical, factual reasoning into this based on the actual criteria.
Super-upvoted for 'hoisted on their own petard.'
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:26 am to jangalang
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The undefeated Power 5 champion should always be in regardless of style points. That is why we went from 2 to 4. The committee could have established a precedent pointing out despite their recent weakness FSU was proactive scheduling 2 OOC games against SEC teams (one was a convincing win over a hesiman contender) that can get hot quickly thus sought a formidable schedule. That could've been FSU's in and the standard before penalizing players for doing everything they were suppose to do.
That is what you think, that is not what the CFP was constructed to consider.
The new 12-team playoff will consider the "top 5 conference champions" automatic bids. I am hopeful but also hesitant with how this is implemented. If the top 5 conference champions is just based of the committee's rankings then there is a lot of room to maneuverer G5 teams out of participation. Additionally, I assume they will limit the top 5 conference champions selections in some fashion. I find it hard to believe they're going to auto-bid a 15-25th ranked conference champion. I imagine that the top 5 conference champions must be in the top 10 (or 12?). If there are not 5 qualifiers by that constraint then the remaining slots become additional at-large bids.
Generally speaking though, the recommended 5 + 7 structure for the new CFP will almost always result in the 5 P5 champions receiving an auto-bid even if it is not explicitly guaranteed in writing. The fact it is not explicitly guaranteed will leave some weird circumstances in edge cases. If the CFP exists in this construction long enough, that edge case will happen just like this one in 2023. And people will get upset about it. There is nothing to be done about it until the power conferences remove themselves from the NCAA and these G5 teams. As long as the G5 teams have a seat at the table, nothing explicit can be guaranteed with regard to the "class" of conference or win-loss record.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:49 am to WG_Dawg
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none of those are P5 conferences...
I don't know how many times I need to say this: the CFP makes no distinction between P5 and G5 teams on purpose, so if they considered pure win-loss record you could very easily end up with absolute turd postseasons with NIU's, Cincy's, Hawaii's, etc.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 10:56 am to Clockwatcher68
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Interesting that the old BCS rankings, which don’t even care about loss of key players, would have had:
1-Michigan
2-Washington
3-Alabama
4-Florida State
Bring back the old BCS rankings! The Texas melt would have been infinitely more glorious than this FSU melt.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:07 am to hwnd
No... it can't apply because it doesn't fit their narrative anymore. Lots of people are getting their hypocrisy exposed.
Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:17 am to Terrific Tales
quote:Yet the ACC contingent was part of an alliance that literally delayed the implementation of a playoff expansion that they would've had them in as an automatic qualifier.
I don’t think SOS should be irrelevant. But it was very obvious from the way the committee approached everything that if Travis hadn’t gotten hurt, FSU would be in
I don’t know what that means for the future of the importance of SOS, but hopefully the 12 team playoff will help things even out a bit
Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:20 am to RT1941
Florida State would love to leave the ACC. How does this pertain to that team?
Posted on 12/4/23 at 11:20 am to Terrific Tales
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So the SOS argument is just a completely moot point
Wrong. Otherwise undefeated Liberty would have been considered as a top 4 team.
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