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re: 89% of aggy students vote to bring back TEXAS game

Posted on 2/23/19 at 4:54 pm to
Posted by Montgomery Hill
Texas
Member since Jun 2016
1386 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 4:54 pm to
No....

Everyone knew about Colorado.

CU tried to get Texas to join the PAC 10 in the early 1990's.

Colorado was waiting for a partner.
They always wanted to disassociate with Nebraska, Kansas and Oklahoma.
Posted by OldSchoolHorn
Aspen CO
Member since Nov 2014
3999 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 4:54 pm to
Go to bed fool.

Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149519 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 4:55 pm to
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Aggy was warned about the fact that leaving for the SEC would open up the state to outsiders
what did texas playing OU for 80 some odd years before the formation of the big 12 do?
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60706 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 4:55 pm to
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I want to know why more than 95% of your posts on this board are about Texas A&M.


Pretty obvious, still stirring the pot lie a dowager threatened by the younger socialite replacing her in the society ladder.
Posted by bigbopper
Houston
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by Montgomery Hill
Texas
Member since Jun 2016
1386 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 4:57 pm to
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But there were multiple other reasons we joined the SEC that had nothing to do with the horns.


Wrong..
If aggy was in the position that UT is in they would have never left.

aggy saw a way out but still doesn't realize that they will be Ole Missed in a minute if they challenge the SEC.
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 5:01 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
45270 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 5:10 pm to
Honey, you can call me “wrong” all you want.
But it doesn’t change anything.
Multiple reasons contributed to our acceptance of the SEC invite.
I have zero clue what “position” you believe the horns were in that would’ve kept us in the B12.
But for Texas A&M not to leave, many things would’ve had to change.


Money, of course, was a huge consideration, but it wasnt the entire reason why the SEC was so attractive to our decision makers.

Some additional variables:
Unequal revenue sharing in the B12
Longhorn Network
B12 conference instability and viability; we wanted to jump off of a slowly sinking ship
Negative B12 conference climate
SEC was a better cultural fit
SEC attracts better coaches
SEC has stronger recruiting
Bad blood amongst B12 member institutions
SEC prestige
To generate greater visibility for our university and athletes
To chart our own path


I’ve more than said enough in this thread and will now exit.
My apologies to the rest of you for my excessive word vomit.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60706 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 5:22 pm to
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Wrong..
If aggy was in the position that UT is in they would have never left.


Such outdated thinking.

The death of the IND's between the 1960's and 1990's was clear indication that the model was changing from the singular to the multiplier. We have seen this in business when multiple firms get reduced to just a few for economic gain. CFB has not expanded overall even though some conferences have expanded. Singular apex predators work in some places but humans, dogs, and apes have all experienced success by forming groups over individuals.

Scandal forced Southern Cal to allow the PAC to better share control. The B1G and the SEC learned the power of sharing since before WWII. ACC via UNC and Duke held their conference back and Utx and OU harmed theirs but wanting unequal shares. It has caught up with them as they did not change to fit the new terms of success.

While you may deny all this drinking the local KoolAid it is obvious to those outside looking in. If none of this matters as you seem to claim then leave any SEC boards and return to your own boards and rebuild what you have left by adapting to the current model than trying to reclaim one that is old and dead. Christ, I am older tan some of you put together but even I knew not to stay in that past as it was a dead end.
Posted by Montgomery Hill
Texas
Member since Jun 2016
1386 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 5:26 pm to
USC never controlled the PAC....

Stanford to this day has remained in control of that conference.

When Texas wanted to discuss issues with the PAC 12...
They went to Palo Alto.
Posted by Smart Post
Member since Feb 2018
3539 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

Unequal revenue sharing in the B12

Fully supported by conference votes from Aggy administrators.

Only outspoken against when you ended up on the short end of the stick.

Kind of like aggy not wanting doodlum damn to do with millions of arid grazing acres in West Texas -- until oil was struck on it, and they lined up with outstretched hands.

And LOL at Cheesy Tits/Kentucky Mustangs criticizing UT Austin for "destroying" the SWC in one take, then criticizing UT Austin for not dumping Baylor in another take.
Posted by Phat Phil
Krispy Kreme
Member since May 2010
7558 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 5:27 pm to
76–37–5
Posted by Aggiehoss04
Arkansas
Member since Oct 2017
885 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 6:17 pm to
If we are dead to the whorns why did your student body vote to bring the game back first?

Also, if we are dead to you, why is EVERY whorn who posts on here solely dedicated to posting about A&M?

Your obsession is noted....and considering your #CocksNotGlocks motto, it explains plenty
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60706 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 6:29 pm to
quote:

USC never controlled the PAC...


Such dumbassery, are you 12?

quote:

When Texas wanted to discuss issues with the PAC 12...
They went to Palo Alto.


Because the PAC had a 1 blackball system and Stanford did not want Utx.

Utx had to sell Stanford to release the blackball but SC was the alpha dog on conference stuff in the PAC same way Bucknuts and Meatchicken controlled the B1G.

SC was the money gorilla in the conference until they got busted and the PAC used the downtime to move to equal revenue sharing.
Posted by Montgomery Hill
Texas
Member since Jun 2016
1386 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 6:39 pm to
You obviously don't know what you are talking about...

Academic money is 5x to 15x the money that athletics bring in.


Stanford is considered the most prestigious research university in the country.
If you want your university to bring in more research money you rub shoulders with schools like Stanford.

Stanford controls the conference through this.

Research the Pacific Coast Conference and how Stanford brought in a bunch of schools and then snuck out the backdoor with Cal.
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 6:40 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60706 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 6:54 pm to
SWC in the early days was in 3 states but OU and OSU left leaving only TX and AR

Big 8 was in 6 states


B12
(2) OK = Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(2) KS = Kansas and Kansas State
(1) MO = Missouri
(1) CO = Colorado
(1) IA = Iowa State
(1) NE = Nebraska
(8) = Big Eight

(4) TX = Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Baylor
(4) = SWC

Texas wanted 3 other votes they knew would support them but in reality it limited the footprint and the long term equality of a balanced conference. Usually when you merge the bigger part sets policy not the little part.

Lets say for shits and giggles you start with equal revenue from day 1 of the B12 and you add to the footprint from day 1. Baylor historically was the lesser child and TCU or Rice would have been better choices.

B12
(2) OK = Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
(2) KS = Kansas and Kansas State
(1) MO = Missouri
(1) CO = Colorado
(1) IA = Iowa State
(1) NE = Nebraska
(2) TX = Texas and Texas A&M

Leaving 2 more in new states
(1) AR = Arkansas (maybe you move before they go SEC)
(1) LA = Tulane (flag in SEC, NOLA, and academic school)
(1) TN = Memphis (flag in SEC, basketball presence, and Memphis recruiting)
(1) CO = Air Force (double up in CO but good school for growing viewers)
(1) CO = Colorado State (so CU has a partner)
(2) NM = New Mexico and New Mexico State (risky but PAC improved AZ and ASU)

Even if you have to keep 4 in TX
TCU > Baylor
UH > Texas Tech
Posted by Mizzou4ever
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Nov 2011
15301 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 7:10 pm to
Actually they refer to themselves proudly as San Francisco East, but nice try.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
60706 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 7:12 pm to
quote:

You obviously don't know what you are talking about...

Academic money is 5x to 15x the money that athletics bring in.


I do know this and have spoken of it often but keep in mind PAC added AZ and ASU in the 70's out of the old Border Conference. Not like they were academic schools back then.

quote:

Stanford is considered the most prestigious research university in the country.


Do you even Johns Hopkins bro? Not knocking Stanford as they are up there but being Top 20 is not being #1. If it was just about academics then Cal Tech or the medical one in CA (UC SF maybe) would be in the PAC. Pretty sure JHU is doing about 3 billion in annual research revenue.


I don't have to research the PCC. I was around when that cheating scandal went down that collapsed the conference. I know they did not invite Idaho or Montana to join the PAC from the PCC even tho neither were caught cheating in the scandal. The 4 Cali schools were all about continuing even tho UCLA and USC kept cheating their asses off. They were big schools with lots of living alumni and the GI Bill of WWII had limited the future success of private schools at the national level with limited enrollment. USC may be private but it has a large student body like a state school.
Posted by G2160
houston
Member since May 2013
2141 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 7:37 pm to
quote:

There's a few jayhawks here that likes to get their digs in on us, but I'm glad they don't follow and hound us in our new conference like the Horns do to you guys.




Part of it is their unhealthy obsession with all things A&M. Part of it is jealousy about A&M trading annual trips to Waco, Ames, Stillwater, Lubbock, and Manhattan for Baton Rouge, Tuscaloosa, Oxford, Columbia, Auburn, Gainesville, etc...

Smart post has even reached out to—and tried (unsuccessfully) to help—nfl teams sue A&M over their rights to “12th man”.
Posted by Montgomery Hill
Texas
Member since Jun 2016
1386 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 7:38 pm to
Point is the PAC 12 wouldn't be in the mess if Stanford wasn't in control

Stanford doesn't really need television revenue to survive because they take 40% off the interest from their endowment and they put it back into the university. Including sports.

So not allowing a media company to control their network is a Stanford idea.
Schools like Washington State are hurt by this. If FOX or ESPN controlled the network it would be on every cable or satellite provider.

But...the conference would lose power plus it would lose the potential to turn a huge profit.

Even USC is hurting. If USC controlled the conference Larry Scott would be gone. Larry Scott is a Stanford puppet.

USC had to have a fundraiser in 2017 because they couldn't afford to send their band to South Bend
Arizona St asked ULL to cancel a game because Arizona St couldn't pay the 1.2 million in 2021 because they need the money in case someone comes after Bobby Hurley.
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 7:39 pm
Posted by agswin
The Republic of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
4360 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 7:57 pm to
quote:

You are going to do what the SEC tells you...


No. No we are not.
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