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re: 2019 LSU vs 2021 Georgia
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:31 am to DawginSC
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:31 am to DawginSC
Georgia’s backups were better prepared because they played all year because the guys you keep bringing up were hurt all year or most of the year. Bama struggled with so many teams we never got a chance to play backups like we normally do which hurt us. Georgia was the better team because of this reason. BoB was a average OC who wasn’t going to be able to make major tweaks in a game like a Sarkisan. That’s coaching absolutely but saying 2 Top 50 players in the draft at the same position going down in the last 3 weeks is the same as receivers rotating in and out with injures all year isn’t realistic
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:33 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Not to mention we're talking about losing those guys, difference making early round NFL pick guys, specifically in the context of playing against an elite defense like Georgia's. The margin for error was very small to begin with.
UGA lost a guy who if not for his stupidity would have been a first round draft pick on defense (Adam Anderson). In the SECCG they were also starting a walk on instead of the injured Chris Smith at Safety... Smith is probably a 3rd-5th round talent. We had also lost an all-american safety before the season even started on defense (Tykee Smith... who's playing this year).
Injuries happen. Part of the deal is coaching around them. UGA had them just like Bama did... unless you think losing an all-american safety and a draftable Safety for a game doesn't impact a pass defense.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:33 am to Funky Tide 8
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Sure, I'll give you that Kirby did a better job against him in the NC
Yep. Good enough to stop Bryce Young and win the national championship.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:33 am to Crowknowsbest
I don't think either of us are arguing wins/losses or ifs and buts about games. We're noting that it's silly to just act like losing 2 elite guys drafted (with injuries) in the Top 50 NFL picks 120 days later is insignificant and doesn't effect performance of the unit as a whole.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
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It was the 2nd injury that really made us non-explosive and middling.
Multiple Bama fans ITT have indicated that Jamo’s injury ruined Bama’s entire gameplan in the NCG. I’m asking from a full season perspective.
And for the millionth time, why didn’t Saban rotate more in the regular season? Why not give other guys a few extra snaps when you’re up 17 points against SEC teams?
Bama fans have trouble admitting that Saban made a crucial mistake by only having two WRs get playing time all year. It just makes no sense. Like how do you have no depth at Bama?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:36 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I don't think either of us are arguing wins/losses or ifs and buts about games. We're noting that it's silly to just act like losing 2 elite guys drafted (with injuries) in the Top 50 NFL picks 120 days later is insignificant and doesn't effect performance of the unit as a whole
Sure, but you could also literally say that injuries effected the performance of every football team ever.
What does UGA look like with Pickens, Tykee Smith, etc. last season? Probably better than without them.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:37 am to DawginSC
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Injuries happen. Part of the deal is coaching around them. UGA had them just like Bama did... unless you think losing an all-american safety and a draftable Safety for a game doesn't impact a pass defense.
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Injuries and depth are part of the season. We had razor slim margins for a number of reasons (massive loss of production from the prior year, recruiting misses, etc), and when we lost those 2 guys we didn't have another explosive option on offense. Elite teams are able to overcome that stuff, we weren't because we were flawed. That's part of being a championship team.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:39 am to Crowknowsbest
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What does UGA look like with Pickens, Tykee Smith, etc. last season? Probably better than without them.
Sigh, ok.
You guys seem to desperately want to drag this back into a UGA/Bama 2021 comparison thing. We've made it clear we're not doing that. This was about 2019 LSU vs 2021 Georgia, and the 2021 Bama with both WRs healthy is the best comparative for an idea of how it might go.
2021 Bama w/o Metchie/Williams is absolutely no match for the 2019 LSU offense and is irrelevant.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:39 am to SummerOfGeorge
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You guys seem to desperately want to drag this back into a UGA/Bama 2021 comparison thing. We've made it clear we're not doing that. This was about 2019 LSU vs 2021 Georgia, and the 2021 Bama with both WRs healthy is the best comparative for an idea of how it might go.
I already said that I think LSU would win.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:43 am to Funky Tide 8
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those positions should be able to be adequately filled by the next player
How are you missing the point here? Those guys ARE the replacements.
Bowers came in as TE3 and our top two were injured the first few games. He wasn’t gonna start.
McConkey replaced Kearis Jackson
AD Mitchell replaced Pickens
We had 8-9 pass catchers eith enough experience to play in the NCG no problem. Bama had 2. That’s poor coaching and preparation.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I don't think either of us are arguing wins/losses or ifs and buts about games. We're noting that it's silly to just act like losing 2 elite guys drafted (with injuries) in the Top 50 NFL picks 120 days later is insignificant and doesn't effect performance of the unit as a whole.
Isn't it equally silly to discount the fact UGA lost their best pass rusher and an all-american safety during the season as well?
Or do injuries only get factored in if it's your team?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:46 am to diddlydawg7
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And for the millionth time, why didn’t Saban rotate more in the regular season? Why not give other guys a few extra snaps when you’re up 17 points against SEC teams?
Bama fans have trouble admitting that Saban made a crucial mistake by only having two WRs get playing time all year. It just makes no sense. Like how do you have no depth at Bama?
I mean we played other guys. Bolden, Brooks, Earle (pre-injury), Baker not to mention the expectation of Latu/Billingsley being a good combination.
Billingsley disappeared, Earle got hurt, McClellan got hurt.
If you look at early season snap counts McClellan, Earle and Baker got 20+ snaps every week.
Baker is gone, Hall is gone, Brooks stepped in admirably late in the season but he's not a game changer type.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:46 am to DawginSC
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Isn't it equally silly to discount the fact UGA lost their best pass rusher and an all-american safety during the season as well?
Or do injuries only get factored in if it's your team?
Who said it doesn't? What are you arguing?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:46 am to Funky Tide 8
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790 yards, 5 TDs in two games.
Fair enough. How many of those came in the second game?
Any way you slice it Young had a bad title game.
He threw for a bunch of yards in the second game because y'all threw the ball a ton more.
He threw his lone TD in the second game after being gifted the ball at the 15 yard line, and threw two very bad Ints....one badly overthrown and one badly underthrown.
I think Young is an excellent QB. (I still would have given the Heisman to Will Anderson)
He simply had a bad game. You can blame it on receiver injuries, or good defensive gameplan, or whatever. I do think it's dumb to say Kirby Smart can't stop good QBs/passing offenses, though. Maybe he can and maybe he can't. Who can, really?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:46 am to SummerOfGeorge
C’mon George, i thought at least you would respond. Not a single Bama fan has been able to answer this question all year:
Why didn’t Saban prepare his WRs better?
Why didn’t Saban prepare his WRs better?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:47 am to djsdawg
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Which is what made it so disappointing to see such a lazy take from you. You are often the voice of reason.
I think this comes from the perspective of feeling like a healthy 2021 Bama team wasn’t really in the same league as the 2019 LSU team. If a healthy 2021 Bama team doesn’t stack up, I don’t have any reason to believe UGA could.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:49 am to diddlydawg7
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C’mon George, i thought at least you would respond. Not a single Bama fan has been able to answer this question all year: Why didn’t Saban prepare his WRs better?
You’re being obtuse. What was Saban supposed to do, other than give them the same practice reps every other receiver has gotten over the last 15 years?
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:50 am to diddlydawg7
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Bowers came in as TE3 and our top two were injured the first few games. He wasn’t gonna start.
That dude was playing by week 3 regardless of injuries
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McConkey replaced Kearis Jackson
AD Mitchell replaced Pickens
They were developed fantastically, but they also were forced into playing early in the year and by early January had tons of snaps under their belt.
And, let's be honest, there was zero pressure on them in September, October and November to do anything but play hard and get better. They were allowed to develop by the defensive dominance and the nature of Georgia's games played, and they did. And that's why a "team" is judged in it's entirety, because you could make an argument that Georgia's elite, consistent play in the regular season (specifically on defense) allowed guys like that to mature and get better so that when the time came when pressure WAS on, they could perform.
And they did. And that's why "injuries" aren't a legitimate excuse for winning or losing games.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:51 am to diddlydawg7
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C’mon George, i thought at least you would respond. Not a single Bama fan has been able to answer this question all year:
Why didn’t Saban prepare his WRs better?
Except George has answered it like 3 times in this thread.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 11:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I don't think either of us are arguing wins/losses or ifs and buts about games. We're noting that it's silly to just act like losing 2 elite guys drafted (with injuries) in the Top 50 NFL picks 120 days later is insignificant and doesn't effect performance of the unit as a whole.
The answer to that is if your depth in reality matches the depth on paper, for a team like Alabama it SHOULDN'T be a significant impact. If Brooks/Earle/Hall (all top 50 in the nation recruits) had been competent, they should have been able to step in and do the job. they couldn't. Meanwhile for UGA... 3-star freshman AD Mitchell and 3-star RS Freshman Ladd McConkey did step in and step up when WR injuries happened.
You have to recognize that being unable to fill in at those positions is a failure on Bama's part. For another team it might be a valid excuse. But for a team that recruits like Bama it's not.
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