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re: 2 seasons after expansion..
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:07 am to the808bass
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:07 am to the808bass
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I assume you're an idiot.
Where is the love?
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:10 am to Roger Klarvin
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I'd trade Mizzu for FSU in he East, if for no other reason than they are a more natural fit and Missouri doesn't have the resources to keep up on a long term basis.
FSU has been a more traditional powerhouse in football than Mizzou. Do we really need another one of those in the conference?
And by resources I'm assuming you mean recruiting?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:15 am to the808bass
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What resources, specifically?
An adequate recruiting base, facilities (ranked 11th out of 14 SEC teams last I checked) and financial support (12th among SEC programs in 2013 donations, ahead of only Vandy and MSU).
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:16 am to KSGamecock
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Mizzou for FSU yes, Mizzou would do much better in the B1G. TAMU was a good investment.
Care to explain what FSU would add to the SEC that it doesn't already have?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:19 am to abellsujr
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Mizzou has a higher enrollment than LSU. I guess we don't have the resources, either.
UCF has higher enrollment than anyone in the SEC. A&M currently has the largest enrollment of any SEC school by nearly 3,000 students. LSU ranks a paltry 7th in the SEC in enrollment.
Enrollment has next to nothing to do with overall success.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:22 am to KCM0Tiger
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Care to explain what FSU would add to the SEC that it doesn't already have?
A majority share of the fourth largest state in the union.
The only thing Mizzu brings to the table is the St. Louis/KC markets, which even combined only make up the fourth largest CF market in SEC states currently.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:22 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Agreed. But you said "resources" not overall success. Enrollment does have something to do with resources, along with fan base size.
Enrollment has next to nothing to do with overall success.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:24 am to BigShineAU
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and UNC isn't bad academically either.
uhhhh that whole fake degree program and lollipop classes for athletes pretty much undermines any statement on the strength of UNC academics. They should be stripped of their accreditation and forced to expose their curriculum, faculty, grading, test scores, tutor assistance programs, everything or be a glorified JUCO.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:24 am to BigShineAU
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Do we really need another one of those in the conference?
Given the inevitable 16 team super conference era, yes.
By comparison, the Big 10 already has three of the top 10 all-time programs.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:28 am to abellsujr
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Enrollment does have something to do with resources
Mizzu fans donate the least per capita of any SEC fanbase and it isn't close.
Additionally, Missouri's population is 17th highest in the nation. Of the 16 states above them, only two (New Jersey and Massachusetts) produce less FBS talent annually, and nine states behind them in population also produce more. The only SEC state that produces less talent is Arkansas.
They are at an inherent disadvantage in recruiting, especially given that their elite recruits are regularly poached by the likes of Arkansas, Tennessee, etc.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 12:29 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:31 am to Roger Klarvin
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Roger Klarvin
I applaud you for the research my man
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:40 am to Roger Klarvin
In actuality, Ole Miss and Miss State bring in the least amount of revenue. I'ts the exposure in the state of Mississippi that's important. I like that we stretched the SEC further east. Texas especially.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:42 am to BigShineAU
quote:Google, a poor man's degree.
I applaud you for the research my man
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:42 am to abellsujr
But looking at the TV ratings for the state of Mississippi during CFB season. Something like 85% of that state is watching football on Saturday.
It's why Birmingham and Mongomery are two of the top 10 CFB audiences in the country, because fricking everyone in Alabama is watching football in the fall.
It's why Birmingham and Mongomery are two of the top 10 CFB audiences in the country, because fricking everyone in Alabama is watching football in the fall.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:48 am to Roger Klarvin
Interesting... I always thought the people in Birmingham were stealing tvs rather than watching them.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:49 am to Roger Klarvin
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But looking at the TV ratings for the state of Mississippi during CFB season. Something like 85% of that state is watching football on Saturday.
Mississippi has it's 2 schools, plus you see a lot of Bama, Auburn, and LSU fans in the state. 85% seems high but this is the South
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:51 am to Kentucker
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We as a conference need to compete for research dollars.
Yes!
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Georgia, Auburn and Alabama are ready for consideration.
No.
Georgia is a fine institution, but not a research one, that is Ga Tech
Alabama is same with UAB (med) and UAH (tech)
Auburn is an Ag school
Here are the ARWU numbers from 2013 (based mostly on research)
Solid AAU range
35 Vanderbilt University
43 University of Florida
Stable AAU range
53-67 Texas A&M University (research school)
53-67 University of Georgia (Ga Tech is research school in GA)
Outside modern AAU range
68-85 University of Tennessee
Well outside modern AAU range
86-108 Louisiana State University
86-108 University of Alabama at Birmingham (medical research)
86-108 University of Kentucky
86-108 University of Missouri
86-108 University of Nebraska (just lost AAU status)
86-108 University of Notre Dame (education mission, not research mission)
109-131 Georgetown University (fine education mission but not research school)
109-131 Syracuse University (just lost AAU status)
109-131 University of South Carolina (good school, just not research school)
109-131 Wake Forest University (good school, just not research school)
132-149 Auburn University (far away from AAU status)
132-149 Boston College (included as peer comparison)
132-149 University of Arkansas
As you can see, Alabama (Tuscaloosa) is not on this list nor is Ole Miss or Mississippi State
Look at a school by research dollars and look for schools approaching 1 billion per year in research dollars or with endowments from 5 billion and up.
Johns Hopkins gets about 2 Billion per year from the government for research which is double to quadruple the total endowment of most SEC schools not named Texas A&M (~9.0 billion) or Vanderbilt (~3.5 billion)
SEC schools ranked by endowment :
Texas A&M 8.7 Billion
Vanderbilt 3.4 Billion
Florida 1.3 Billion
Missouri 1.2 Billion
Alabama 1.0 Billion
Kentucky 0.9 Billion
Tennessee 0.8 Billion
Arkansas 0.8 Billion
Georgia 0.7 Billion
LSU 0.7 Billion
South Carolina 0.5 Billion
Auburn 0.5 Billion
Ole Miss 0.5 Billion
MS State 0.3 Billion
Viewed another way Johns Hopkins gets almost 1.9 Billion per year from Government Research grants. That is more than USC + AU + OM + MSU have in their whole endowments!
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:54 am to BigShineAU
Personally, I would love it if FSU would come to the SEC, but from what I understand Florida fans would be pissed. Would aTm be pissed if Texas joined the SEC?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 12:56 am to abellsujr
Yes, but because it would remove our significant recruiting advantage over them. Florida doesn't need to the SEC to recruit their state, A&M does until we win something significant.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 1:48 am to Roger Klarvin
Roger is just mad that Mizzou owns A&M during the Pinkel era, won their division 20 years sooner than A&M will, and figures to do much better in Mens basketball long term than the Aggies.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 1:49 am
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