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12 Team Playoff Language
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:54 am
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:54 am
Has anyone noticed that the language everyone keeps repeating about the 12 team playoff doesn't make sense in terms of today's schedules.
Here is the bit I am talking about:
Let's walk through this language.
1. No automatic bids for conference champions.
(Clears the pathway to remove the conference championship games.)
2. 12 team bracket to include the 6 highest ranked conference champions. (This language only makes sense if you are taking multiple division champions form the same conference. Why would ranking even come into play if you were taking the conference championship game winner.)
What am I missing here? Does this language about the "highest ranked conference champions" make sense? What is an example of a lower ranked conference champion that won't get in? Why would ranking even come into play unless you were talking about division champions.
Here is the bit I am talking about:
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That proposed system doesn’t have automatic bids for conference champions. Instead, it calls for the 12-team bracket to include the 6 highest-ranked conference champions and the 6 highest-ranked non-conference champions, as determined by the selection committee. The top 4 seeds get byes, but they can only go to the highest-ranked conference champions.
Let's walk through this language.
1. No automatic bids for conference champions.
(Clears the pathway to remove the conference championship games.)
2. 12 team bracket to include the 6 highest ranked conference champions. (This language only makes sense if you are taking multiple division champions form the same conference. Why would ranking even come into play if you were taking the conference championship game winner.)
What am I missing here? Does this language about the "highest ranked conference champions" make sense? What is an example of a lower ranked conference champion that won't get in? Why would ranking even come into play unless you were talking about division champions.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:06 am to XbengalTiger
The power 5 champs are getting, they just put the highest ranked conference champions to add one group of 5 team.
You can't give automatic bids to the power 5 champs and not to the other conferences.
That is why that language is it there.
You can't give automatic bids to the power 5 champs and not to the other conferences.
That is why that language is it there.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:51 am to remaster916
Yes, it's a auto bid for the Power 5 and leaves a spot for the best of the rest champion.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:01 am to Tigerman97
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Yes, it's a auto bid for the Power 5 and leaves a spot for the best of the rest champion.
Also leaves room for a weak power 5 champ to be left out if two higher ranked non power 5.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:20 am to XbengalTiger
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1. No automatic bids for conference champions.
(Clears the pathway to remove the conference championship games.)
The CCG has never been able to guarantee that the top 2 teams in the conference will play one another. The Big 12 is the only one that can do that.
CCG is just a money-making scheme that the fat daddies can't turn loose of. The Playoff committee just said we want the best teams and we pick who we feel fits that bill. Smart move.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:35 am to XbengalTiger
When only 2 teams got in, the third team complained. In basketball 68 teams now make it in and the 69th team complains. It is going to happen no matter where you put the number. There is no perfect amount that will apply to every year. In my opinion 24 is the right amount, because you can include most of the bowl games, and most any team can still make it in with one loss.
People who complain that it cheapens the regular season seem to think placing more importance on the end of the season is a bad thing.
People who complain that it cheapens the regular season seem to think placing more importance on the end of the season is a bad thing.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:37 am to bamameister
quote:Same could be said for the playoffs.
CCG is just a money-making scheme that the fat daddies can't turn loose of.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:42 am to XbengalTiger
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Let's walk through this language.
1. No automatic bids for conference champions.
(Clears the pathway to remove the conference championship games.)
2. 12 team bracket to include the 6 highest ranked conference champions. (This language only makes sense if you are taking multiple division champions form the same conference. Why would ranking even come into play if you were taking the conference championship game winner.)
CCGs rarely pit the best two teams against each other, as there is no round Robin, and divisions are typically unbalanced.
Going to a pod system like basketball and simply agreeing to a tie breaker system with poll position as final tie breaker after records and head to head results would be better.
In any case, a definitive conference champ is required in the language of the expanded playoff. So, Big 12 with their round Robin and tie breaker could likely scrap their game.
Personally, I'd like a return to the BCS system for polls. Keep the committee (essentially replacing the Harris poll component of BCS) and weight it heavier; throw out the meaningless coaches poll component (ceding it's weight to the Committe poll). Then, add back computer polls for ranking.
After top 6 conference champs (no matter what conference and where they rank) are taken, I like the idea of taking 6 highest ranked non-conf champs.
That said, I still think 12 is TOO many and completely diminishes the regular season and kills the bowl season tradition of FBS.
If they kept the same idea and took top 4 conference champs and next 2 highest ranked non-conference champs, I think it would be a better product that eliminates a lot of risk and best helps protect some other traditions.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:46 am to TX Tiger
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Same could be said for the playoffs.
That is all it is about.
The size of FBS, lack of parity, and bowl system that has jumped the shark coupled with declining national sports viewership, participation and interest in addition to unknown effects of NIL hits to future revenue has CFB scrambling.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:53 am to bigDgator
quote:A college football national champion used to be the champion of the entire season. The expanded playoffs will replace that with the team that got hot at the right time.
People who complain that it cheapens the regular season seem to think placing more importance on the end of the season is a bad thing.
Perfect example, the 2001 LSU team started out 4-3 got red hot at the end of the year, finished 8-3 and won the SECCG then won the Sugar Bowl. That team could have easily won a playoff tournament.
Under the expanding playoff system (may not even end at 12 teams) there will be a 3, 4, or even 5-loss team that does this and ends up winning the playoff tournament.
That changes the face of college football and destroys what many fans, including myself, believed was a big reason why the sport was far superior to the NFL, or any other sport for that matter.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 10:45 am
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:54 am to TX Tiger
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Same could be said for the playoffs.
No, it doesn't. In 2011, Oregon played a 6-6 UCLA team in the Pac 12 CCG. This meant that Stanford, led by Andrew Luck, and sporting an 11-1 record had to sit at home and watch that abortion of an effort because the top 2 teams weren't invited.
That is the CCG.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:03 am to bamameister
quote:How does that disprove that the playoffs, like the CCG, are nothing but money grabs?
Same could be said for the playoffs.
No, it doesn't. In 2011, Oregon played a 6-6 UCLA team in the Pac 12 CCG. This meant that Stanford, led by Andrew Luck, and sporting an 11-1 record had to sit at home and watch that abortion of an effort because the top 2 teams weren't invited.
That is the CCG.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:08 am to TX Tiger
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How does that disprove that the playoffs, like the CCG, are nothing but money grabs?
Didn't I just say that the 12 team increase was about greed?
What I'm now saying, specifically, is that the CCG doesn't guarantee the 2 best teams play one another. The Playoff does that. At least.
Let me help you even more fully. The CCG is tits on a bull.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:23 am to XbengalTiger
I am super stoked for this. Imagine Oregon going to the swamp for a playoff game. Or Ohio St in Baton Rouge. The odd match ups on campus has me excited.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:29 am to bamameister
quote:Wrong.
What I'm now saying, specifically, is that the CCG doesn't guarantee the 2 best teams play one another. The Playoff does that.
The playoffs will allow for a team to stumble out of the gate and get hot at the right time to play for a championship. As I stated in my previous post, we will see 3, 4, and even 5-loss teams get hot at the right time and win the playoff tournament.
It will be much more like the NFL where teams that get hot at the end of the season have the best shot of winning the Super Bowl. They aren't necessarily the best teams, but they're the teams playing the best football in December and January.
That's not what made college football the greatest sport on Earth.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 10:53 am to TX Tiger
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The playoffs will allow for a team to stumble out of the gate and get hot at the right time to play for a championship
Wake me when a 6-6 UCLA team makes it? Wake me when a 6-6 GaTech team makes it in the Playoff as they did in the CCG when much better ACC teams were watching at home.
The playoff committee hasn't even come close to that nonsense and you know it.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:27 am to bamameister
quote:I just gave an example of the 2001 LSU team that started out 4-3 and ended up winning the SECCG and the Sugar Bowl and could have easily won a playoff tournament.
The playoffs will allow for a team to stumble out of the gate and get hot at the right time to play for a championship
Wake me when a 6-6 UCLA team makes it? Wake me when a 6-6 GaTech team makes it in the Playoff as they did in the CCG when much better ACC teams were watching at home.
The playoff committee hasn't even come close to that nonsense and you know it.
You are naive if you think a playoff tournament automatically means the best teams will play for a championship. And if a playoff automatically means the best teams play for a title, then what's the point of the tournament. Just pit the No 1 vs. No. 2 and be done with it.
You are also naive if you don't realize that this, like CCGs, are nothing but a money grab.
Furthermore, if a 12-team tournament makes big bucks, it will further expand eventually.
There will come a time when that 6-6 UCLA team wins the CCG and gets an automatic berth into the playoffs. It's just a matter of time.
This is why college football "old-schoolers" like myself were against a playoff way back when the BCS was first introduced. Anyone could see it would lead to this.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 11:37 am
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:43 am to bigDgator
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People who complain that it cheapens the regular season seem to think placing more importance on the end of the season is a bad thing.
Because it is a bad thing when that reduces the quantity of high quality football.
Why restrict good out of conference games to the playoff (a consequence of the proposal) when we can keep the current setup which includes good out of conference games in both the playoffs and regular season?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 11:54 am to TX Tiger
quote:But would that team have even made the 12-team CFP under the proposed rules? They were #13 in the final BCS rankings that season, even after their upset win in the SECCG.
I just gave an example of the 2001 LSU team that started out 4-3 and ended up winning the SECCG and the Sugar Bowl and could have easily won a playoff tournament.
Projecting that into the potential future, what would the significance of what was once considered a crowning achievement - SEC Champions - be if your team missed the CFP? The conference crown becomes an afterthought, and the regular season essentially meaningless.
As I’ve stated before, the passion and pageantry of CFB has been destroyed by money. It was inevitable, I suppose, but the expansion of the CFP will just make it worse.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 11:57 am
Posted on 6/13/21 at 12:00 pm to TX Tiger
[ quote]Perfect example, the 2001 LSU team started out 4-3 got red hot at the end of the year, finished 8-3 and won the SECCG then won the Sugar Bowl. That team could have easily won a playoff tournament.[/quote]
Let's take a look at 10 years later and you have LSU beating Alabama in the regular season and it didn't even matter. Where was the emphasis on the regular season? LSU finished with a better record and Alabama didn't even win their division.
Or we can go back to the 1996 season. Florida lost to Florida State in the last game of the regular season yet got redemption by beating them 5 weeks later for the national championship. Where was the emphasis on the regular season?
Did you prefer it when they named the national champion with a popular vote from sportswriters before they even played in their bowl games?
Let's take a look at 10 years later and you have LSU beating Alabama in the regular season and it didn't even matter. Where was the emphasis on the regular season? LSU finished with a better record and Alabama didn't even win their division.
Or we can go back to the 1996 season. Florida lost to Florida State in the last game of the regular season yet got redemption by beating them 5 weeks later for the national championship. Where was the emphasis on the regular season?
Did you prefer it when they named the national champion with a popular vote from sportswriters before they even played in their bowl games?
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