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re: '11 Auburn football vs '09 Auburn football
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:47 pm to TTsTowel
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:47 pm to TTsTowel
That's all fine and dandy but for it to matter/translate in the W-L department it would require the schedule and teams that Au play be the same as they were in 09.
Teams AU played in 09 that should be better in 11 than they were in 09 MSU(w)/ARK(L)/UGA(L)/LSU(L)
Bama(L) should be better or at least on par talent wise with the 09 team- not predicting 14-0
You droped UT(w) & UK(L) to pick up USC & UF .. both bether than the 09 teams you played. Plus Clempson is better than any of Au's OOC teams from 09.
with all that said --- Au will go 14-0 and repeat
Teams AU played in 09 that should be better in 11 than they were in 09 MSU(w)/ARK(L)/UGA(L)/LSU(L)
Bama(L) should be better or at least on par talent wise with the 09 team- not predicting 14-0
You droped UT(w) & UK(L) to pick up USC & UF .. both bether than the 09 teams you played. Plus Clempson is better than any of Au's OOC teams from 09.
with all that said --- Au will go 14-0 and repeat
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Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:48 pm to slayerxing
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Also, I disagree with your assessment on the secondary.
The problem with the 2009 defense wasn't pass coverage, it was stopping the run.
And I'm pretty sure it's the worst Auburn run defense I have ever witnessed.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:50 pm to spacewrangler
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with all that said --- Au will go 14-0 and repeat
Don't do this to me
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:51 pm to joeyb147
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The problem with the 2009 defense wasn't pass coverage, it was stopping the run.
And we had to stack the box, which left WRs running wide open it seems.. Especially on Neiko's side
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:51 pm to joeyb147
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And I'm pretty sure it's the worst Auburn run defense I have ever witnessed.
Which made the 2009 Iron Bowl all the more strange. Alabama was one of the best running teams in the country, yet struggled to run the ball against the two worst run defenses it faced (Auburn and Arkansas).
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:56 pm to TTsTowel
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And we had to stack the box, which left WRs running wide open it seems..
You obviously don't remember 2009 all that well.
We ranked 10th in the SEC in rushing defense giving up over 155 yds/game. 9th giving up over 4 yds/carry. And fricking dead last giving up 25 TDs.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:58 pm to joeyb147
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We ranked 10th in the SEC in rushing defense giving up over 155 yds/game. 9th giving up over 4 yds/carry. And fricking dead last giving up 25 TDs.
No shite. I'm saying we had to try to stack the box in order to stop the run.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:01 pm to TTsTowel
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I'm saying we had to try to stack the box in order to stop the run.
The DLine on that team was about mediocre at best. No consistent playmaker. All of them would disappear for games at a time.
Worst DLine I've ever seen at AU.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:02 pm to joeyb147
I agree 100%. Although Antonio Coleman played pretty good, he was the only bright spot.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:04 pm to joeyb147
I think the 2011 Dline will be better, but as of today, you have just as many questions on the interior of the line as you did in 2009, in the sense that, no one there has ever had to play consistently for a whole season.
The ends should be better.
Edit: Actually, I checked the stats, Antonio Coleman was a beast that season. I totally forgot about that. I'm not sold that the Dline will be much better.
The ends should be better.
Edit: Actually, I checked the stats, Antonio Coleman was a beast that season. I totally forgot about that. I'm not sold that the Dline will be much better.
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:08 pm to slayerxing
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I think the 2011 Dline will be better, but as of today, you have just as many questions on the interior of the line as you did in 2009, in the sense that, no one there has ever had to play consistently for a whole season.
The ends should be better.
The play of Whitaker, Carter, and Lemonier have already been better than that of Ricks & Blanc heading into the 2009 season. Clayton couldn't stay healthy. Fairley was coming off the bench. Blanc had a good 2010 season, but was meh in 2009. I had high hopes for Carter, but he completely disappeared when handed the starting job. Nosa was going to beat him out until he got injured.
There is a lot more talent. And about the same amount of experience. None of the interior starters in 2009 had that much experience. Coleman was the only reliable one out of all the defense-line players.
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:15 pm to joeyb147
The only proven commodities on the DL returning are Lemonier and Equae. So the ends may be better, although it might not be fair to expect them to elevate immediately to antoine coleman leading the SEC in sacks status.
Whittaker has done jack shite. He has 7 tackles, 5 of those coming against Non-BCS scrubs.
At the end of 2008, Auburn had a much better picture of what the DL would be like in 2009 than you do now. It didn't work out well for AU in 2009 but that wasn't predicted by many, and it may turn out better in 2011, but I would call it a push.
Whittaker has done jack shite. He has 7 tackles, 5 of those coming against Non-BCS scrubs.
At the end of 2008, Auburn had a much better picture of what the DL would be like in 2009 than you do now. It didn't work out well for AU in 2009 but that wasn't predicted by many, and it may turn out better in 2011, but I would call it a push.
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:51 pm to slayerxing
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At the end of 2008, Auburn had a much better picture of what the DL would be like in 2009 than you do now. It didn't work out well for AU in 2009 but that wasn't predicted by many, and it may turn out better in 2011, but I would call it a push.
Whatever you say. Thinking that Whitaker or Carter is on the same level as our returning DTs in 2009 is laughable. Go ahead and point at stats, I actually watched the games (I'm sure you can go find hunter's post on why McElroy was a better QB than Peyton Manning and agree with him). Ricks was nothing thru his JR year (3 tackles) and Blanc was a role-player at his best (2010). Clayton was injured half of 2008, but he did show some flashes of talent.
I knew we were in trouble at DT going into 2009. I didn't think it would be as bad as it was though. Fairley had more impressive plays as the 3rd DT off the bench in 2009 than Ricks, Blanc, & Clayton did in their 2 or 3 previous years.
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:25 am to TTsTowel
I think Trovon Reed will be special player like that of Percy Harvin.
'09 we had nobody to run the wildcat. Kodi Burns tried be he was not very good at it. I expect Trovon to run it a good bit this year. With Trovon running one way and Ontario the other will be hard to stop. Trovon was also a HS QB and is good with options and could even pass for trick plays. Gus loves the Wildcat(he did invent it) and '09 must have been frustrating for him.
Also we got the big boy Ladarious Phillips to run short yardage.
Todd had a limited range. He admitted that he often saw people open down field but didn't have the arm to throw it.
This team will have way more depth than the '09 team. The '09 team also struggled with injuries, so that with no depth killed us down the stretch.
This team will be better than the '09 team but the schedule is harder than '09.
'09 we had nobody to run the wildcat. Kodi Burns tried be he was not very good at it. I expect Trovon to run it a good bit this year. With Trovon running one way and Ontario the other will be hard to stop. Trovon was also a HS QB and is good with options and could even pass for trick plays. Gus loves the Wildcat(he did invent it) and '09 must have been frustrating for him.
Also we got the big boy Ladarious Phillips to run short yardage.
Todd had a limited range. He admitted that he often saw people open down field but didn't have the arm to throw it.
This team will have way more depth than the '09 team. The '09 team also struggled with injuries, so that with no depth killed us down the stretch.
This team will be better than the '09 team but the schedule is harder than '09.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 5:19 am to TTsTowel
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TTsTowel
This nickname is going to be REALLY bad really fast. Remember I told you that.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:17 am to joeyb147
I didn't say that AU was more talented in 2009, but that they had more experience coming back.
Whittaker literally did nothing last year. NOTHING.
There isn't one DT on the roster that has done anything worth speaking about. And while they may be better right away than 2009, I still think they'll take their lumps.
Talent IS really important, as is good coaching. But there isn't much you can do when your entire front line is sophomores and freshmen. You're just going to be, generally, at a disadvantage.
Whittaker literally did nothing last year. NOTHING.
There isn't one DT on the roster that has done anything worth speaking about. And while they may be better right away than 2009, I still think they'll take their lumps.
Talent IS really important, as is good coaching. But there isn't much you can do when your entire front line is sophomores and freshmen. You're just going to be, generally, at a disadvantage.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:40 am to slayerxing
The other huge problem with the D in 09' was severe lack of depth. They pretty much had no second string and couple that with the quick strike offense and the D got tired quickly.
The 09' D lost 3 games that year in the 4th quarter because they just did not have any gas left
The 09' D lost 3 games that year in the 4th quarter because they just did not have any gas left
This post was edited on 6/22/11 at 7:53 am
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:50 am to slayerxing
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Also, I disagree with your assessment on the secondary.
The pass efficiency defense at AU in 2009 was #31 in the country, and grabbed 17 INT to 19 TD and allowed 56% completions and about 6.27 YPA.
I don't think the secondary will make THAT big a jump from the debacle of 2008 with so many young players in the 2 deep.
To be fair slayer, our pass defense looked much better because we couldn't stop the run for crap so people didn't have to pass as much that year. Passing teams still took us to the woodshed that year, the bowl game that year was particularly bad. Though it is a fair point as we did lose an NFL level CB in 2009, which was one of the reasons for our secondary drop off in 2010. I wouldn't say our secondary will be an upgrade compared to 2009, but it should be equal at least, and much better than 2009 by the end of the year.
At any rate, as others have posted it's not all that relevant, we'll likely go somewhere between 6-6 and 8-4 during the regular season, I'm seeing 7-5 personally. The only thing that could really push us below 6-6 would be some serious injury issues at RB and DT, we have zero depth there. Combine that with a brutal schedule and it could be bad news.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:58 am to TTsTowel
you are looking at players only and not the schedule comparison too. I agree that Auburn has more talent in 2011 than 2009 but the 2009 schedule was easier than the 2011.
2009 AUBURN FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
Sept. 5 LOUISIANA TECH
Sept. 12 MISSISSIPPI STATE
Sept. 19 WEST VIRGINIA
Sept. 26 BALL STATE
Oct. 3 at Tennessee
Oct. 10 at Arkansas
Oct. 17 KENTUCKY
Oct. 24 at LSU
Oct. 31 OLE MISS
Nov. 7 FURMAN [HC]
Nov. 14 at Georgia
Nov. 28 ALABAMA
OPEN DATE: Nov. 21
2011 AUBURN FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
Sept. 3 UTAH STATE
Sept. 10 MISSISSIPPI STATE
Sept. 17 at Clemson
Sept. 24 FLORIDA ATLANTIC
Oct. 1 at South Carolina
Oct. 8 at Arkansas
Oct. 15 FLORIDA
Oct. 22 at LSU
Oct. 29 OLE MISS
Nov. 12 at Georgia
Nov. 19 SAMFORD [HC]
Nov. 26 ALABAMA
OPEN DATE: Nov. 5
2011 Miss St is better than 2009 Miss St. Clemson might be better than 2009 West Virginia. 2011 USCe is better that 2009 UT. Arkansas is better now (drummed us in 2009). UF is better than UK. UGA might be the same. We went 7-5 in 2009 with a much easier schedule than 2011.
2009 AUBURN FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
Sept. 5 LOUISIANA TECH
Sept. 12 MISSISSIPPI STATE
Sept. 19 WEST VIRGINIA
Sept. 26 BALL STATE
Oct. 3 at Tennessee
Oct. 10 at Arkansas
Oct. 17 KENTUCKY
Oct. 24 at LSU
Oct. 31 OLE MISS
Nov. 7 FURMAN [HC]
Nov. 14 at Georgia
Nov. 28 ALABAMA
OPEN DATE: Nov. 21
2011 AUBURN FOOTBALL SCHEDULE
Sept. 3 UTAH STATE
Sept. 10 MISSISSIPPI STATE
Sept. 17 at Clemson
Sept. 24 FLORIDA ATLANTIC
Oct. 1 at South Carolina
Oct. 8 at Arkansas
Oct. 15 FLORIDA
Oct. 22 at LSU
Oct. 29 OLE MISS
Nov. 12 at Georgia
Nov. 19 SAMFORD [HC]
Nov. 26 ALABAMA
OPEN DATE: Nov. 5
2011 Miss St is better than 2009 Miss St. Clemson might be better than 2009 West Virginia. 2011 USCe is better that 2009 UT. Arkansas is better now (drummed us in 2009). UF is better than UK. UGA might be the same. We went 7-5 in 2009 with a much easier schedule than 2011.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 8:02 am to augrad00
Honestly, Florida is in the same boat.
The team will probably be better this year than last year, but the schedule is brutal so the record could be the same or worse.
The team will probably be better this year than last year, but the schedule is brutal so the record could be the same or worse.
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