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re: Will you be happy?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:55 am to DMagic
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:55 am to DMagic
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The common denominator is coaching and it falls to the 4.3 million dollar man. Mullen takes these second tier MS recruits and develops them and we take the same or higher rated kids and they bust out.
Mullen is a helluva coach. Evaluation, coaching, and luck play a role in whether or not a player lives up to the hype.
In defense to Freeze and our staff, none of our big recruits in 2013 busted. RN, Treadwell, Tunsil, and Conner all lived up to the hype.
Still need to consistently recruit classes like 2013 in order to have the depth necessary to win a division with the likes of Saban in it.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:02 pm to Billy Mays
I agree that it's not just one specific area in regards to personnel development. I'm just sick of watching us make the same mistakes in year 4 as year 1. I'm sick of looking ill prepared and it's because those 4 guys deserved better than Ole Miss.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:03 pm to Billy Mays
quote:that class was horrible outside of like 6 dudes. 2014 was much better.
Still need to consistently recruit classes like 2013 in order to have the depth necessary to win a division with the likes of Saban in it.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:06 pm to Billy Mays
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In defense to Freeze and our staff, none of our big recruits in 2013 busted. RN, Treadwell, Tunsil, and Conner all lived up to the hype.
So in defense of Freeze and the staff, the 4 guys who could have started anywhere as Freshman, shown no improvement, and still been drafted highly, all lived up to the hype? That's great coaching? I think some people could argue RN was the same player as a frosh as he is this year. Denzel has certainly regressed, as has Morris. And I will NEVER understand how we so badly utilized Channing Ward. He has been our best defensive lineman to me and he still plays behind John Frickin Youngblood. Talent is not a question on this team, coaching is.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:06 pm to UMRealist
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that class was horrible outside of like 6 dudes. 2014 was much better.
At least none of the top guys busted other than Austin Golson... we actually lucked out in that regard.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:10 pm to Billy Mays
Lavon Hooks was a 5* bust. I agree though. The guys who are suppose to come in and be very good, have so far done so. It's the low 4* and lower players that have been useless for the most part. Specifically lb and OL.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:14 pm to rebsfan10
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So in defense of Freeze and the staff, the 4 guys who could have started anywhere as Freshman, shown no improvement, and still been drafted highly, all lived up to the hype? That's great coaching? I think some people could argue RN was the same player as a frosh as he is this year. Denzel has certainly regressed, as has Morris. And I will NEVER understand how we so badly utilized Channing Ward. He has been our best defensive lineman to me and he still plays behind John Frickin Youngblood. Talent is not a question on this team, coaching is.
Who knows? Maybe Conner goes to Bama and they try to turn him into a safety and it doesn't work out. Maybe RN goes to Clemson and he doesn't work out as pass rushing DE in a 4-3 scheme?
Recruiting is a numbers game where you try to sign as many talented players as possible and hope they aren't busts. Developing and fitting guys into roles who don't have the top tier physical talent is the next-level, and we clearly haven't gotten there yet.
Channing Ward is a guy who played terrible HS football and was a slow development. He's serviceable player now but it took a long time. It happens.
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plays behind John Frickin Youngblood. Talent is not a question on this team
So John Youngblood plays real snaps, yet we have don't have a talent issue? I don't get it
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:23 pm to Billy Mays
Spot on summation.
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CJ Johnson is our starting MLB and has played DE almost his entire OM career. Our other LBs are like 200 lbs. We have no guard play whatsoever. Our secondary is legit bad at every position.
This whole "most-talented team ever" is offset by severe deficiencies at key positions.
Having an even distribution of talent > top end talent.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:26 pm to UMRealist
Getting beat for Denver Kirkland and letting Dan Skipper walk for Daronte Bouldin and Davion Johnson is the biggest miss from that class. Peyton Barber, Chris Jones, Jarren Reed, Darius Cummings(played great for Muschamp at Florida) etc. I don't blame Freeze solely for those misses but he's responsible for hiring the assistants that go after those players and half of his staff brings zero to the table. I feel like I could do this for each year and it's the same story. Morgan, Adams, Hootie, Cam Sims, CG3, Andy Bauer etc in 2014, Lewis, Richmond, Kyle Phillips, CeCe in 2015. If anybody thinks it's just about the money they're fricking retarded
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:28 pm to SouthMSReb
Having three stars doesn't make the team the most talented. Guy said it won't ever be better...what are we even playing for if this is it? Why even be a fan?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:29 pm to Billy Mays
Youngblood and Ward have split snaps. They both have played well I think. I don't think our defensive line is the problem although I'm sick of them not being aligned correctly for the 4th year in a row. Our LBs and DBs get lost constantly and that dates back to when Tom Allen was here. That is scheme. Ward also didn't have a chance mentally because his school was dissolved his sophomore year and he's from MS and all kids from MS are dumber than their OOS counterparts generally speaking.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:30 pm to SouthMSReb
I predicted 9-3. That's spot on.
Honestly, I knew all offseason that we'd have a tough row this year. The bone headed calls and complete ineptitude on defense have frustrated me to no end. Something has to change on the defensive side, IMO.
Im OK with giving Luke another year. He has his guys in place now and all the young guys look very good. Sims, Rawlings, Patterson and Taylor are very good. We've had busts, but every team does on OL. That's been out of his control. Also, Freeze has shown some progress by handing over most of the playcalling duties to Werner and it's made a huge difference. He's given me hope that his pride is being put aside. The further proof will be some defensive staff changes this offseason.
Honestly, I knew all offseason that we'd have a tough row this year. The bone headed calls and complete ineptitude on defense have frustrated me to no end. Something has to change on the defensive side, IMO.
Im OK with giving Luke another year. He has his guys in place now and all the young guys look very good. Sims, Rawlings, Patterson and Taylor are very good. We've had busts, but every team does on OL. That's been out of his control. Also, Freeze has shown some progress by handing over most of the playcalling duties to Werner and it's made a huge difference. He's given me hope that his pride is being put aside. The further proof will be some defensive staff changes this offseason.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:31 pm to ABearsFanNMS
One of this OG is playing with 1 arm. The other is a true freshman.
Did you forget the Florida game? The Moore twins were doing a Tony Bridges impersonation.
Did you forget the Florida game? The Moore twins were doing a Tony Bridges impersonation.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:35 pm to Doresrules
The tackling overall has been poor. When the fundamentals are lacking that's coaching. They're just not very good coaches. Pretty good recruiters awful in game.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:40 pm to Doresrules
The only qualm I have with the defensive coaches is we don't seem to get the plays in ever on time, so with all the checking that is going on guys are never lined up ready to go. Hence the missed assignments.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:46 pm to SouthMSReb
Yes I will be happy. It would mean 9 wins and that's a good thing.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:49 pm to Doresrules
You would think with how many juniors and seniors are playing that they'd have a better grasp of what we are doing or trying to do. That's why it's impossible to ignore the common factor in all these complaints.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:54 pm to Doresrules
Good coaches can take players and maximize their potential. I watched the Moore brothers for years in HS just like I watched TC. They have the potential to be good to great players but came from a 2A team that is as basic as basic can be. Now the staff needs to get them on target. Tackling is a fundamental skill that is easy to improve upon relatively quickly. Scheme is another matter where you need to teach the kids to complete presnap reads then read & react in play in unison as a defense.
All that being said do you think that Ole Miss has a better caliber athlete over Vanderbilt (which I would argue may have been one of the top 3 defenses we have faced this year)? If we have better athletes then why aren't we working in unison and performing better than their D?
All that being said do you think that Ole Miss has a better caliber athlete over Vanderbilt (which I would argue may have been one of the top 3 defenses we have faced this year)? If we have better athletes then why aren't we working in unison and performing better than their D?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:57 pm to Doresrules
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The only qualm I have with the defensive coaches is we don't seem to get the plays in ever on time
Really? What about our shite scheme on defense? Is that not a qualm with you? They ran the same damn play action bootleg for the entire game and we couldn't stop it.
We play about 7-10 yards off the receiver letting them get an easy release and we have physical corners.
I also hate when we rush 3 and then somehow the QB scrambles for 10 yards.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:16 pm to SouthMSReb
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They ran the same damn play action bootleg for the entire game and we couldn't stop it.
We play about 7-10 yards off the receiver letting them get an easy release and we have physical corners.
I also hate when we rush 3 and then somehow the QB scrambles for 10 yards.
Drove me up the wall. It's like... can't you get one stop? Just one?
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