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re: What Is Your Opinion On Sarah Palin?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:21 am to The Spleen
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:21 am to The Spleen
I, like most of the known political universe, equates the application of the term "rhetoric" into an opposing political stance. I see no more "dumb quotes" from Palin outside what would be normal and expected from the media with a traditional bent against conservatives.
Specifics examples you provided - the worst is "death panels"? We've already seen rationing of medical supplies and services under ACA and it hasn't even been fully realized yet. You might not like her terminology (I don't) but she was functionally correct.
All I'm saying... is that we should be held accountable to back up hard line assertions. I haven't seen a lot of that in this particular Palin argument. And I'd ask that for treatment of any candidate, left or right.
Specifics examples you provided - the worst is "death panels"? We've already seen rationing of medical supplies and services under ACA and it hasn't even been fully realized yet. You might not like her terminology (I don't) but she was functionally correct.
All I'm saying... is that we should be held accountable to back up hard line assertions. I haven't seen a lot of that in this particular Palin argument. And I'd ask that for treatment of any candidate, left or right.
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:33 am to the808bass
I've apparently been spelling buffoon wrong for quite some time.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:33 am to iglass
My opinion of Palin is she's not worth the time to make a thread about.
Not even on this board
Not even on this board
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:34 am to MIZ_COU
you'd hit it though
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:37 am to cas4t
10 years ago if I could tape her mouth shut and cum and go
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:44 am to iglass
Actually I think the worst in my examples is her comparing the national debt to slavery, especially considering she never misses the chance to invoke the memory of Reagan, someone that tripled the national debt. But really, the Katie Couric, and even the Charlie Gibson one, are really good examples of why some people find her dumb.
But anyway, I've never said I think she's dumb. I think she's said many, many dumb things, but then so have most politicians. I think she's said way more dumb things than not dumb things so I get the label some give her as dumb. I think she's of around average intelligence that was thrust into a situation she was very ill prepared for and struggled with that, as would a lot of people. So I don't really fault her for it. But then she's continued to remain in the spotlight and say more dumb things, so maybe she is dumb. Or maybe she's just smart and trolling all those that apologize for her to line her pockets even more. I don't know. I find the it fascinating how polarizing she is.
But anyway, I've never said I think she's dumb. I think she's said many, many dumb things, but then so have most politicians. I think she's said way more dumb things than not dumb things so I get the label some give her as dumb. I think she's of around average intelligence that was thrust into a situation she was very ill prepared for and struggled with that, as would a lot of people. So I don't really fault her for it. But then she's continued to remain in the spotlight and say more dumb things, so maybe she is dumb. Or maybe she's just smart and trolling all those that apologize for her to line her pockets even more. I don't know. I find the it fascinating how polarizing she is.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:48 am to The Spleen
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I don't know. I find the it fascinating how polarizing she is.
This, more than anything. She's really not any worse than your average politician, but it's chic to hate on her.
The amount of unfettered vitriol her mere name invokes is astounding.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:55 am to TbirdSpur2010
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This, more than anything. She's really not any worse than your average politician, but it's chic to hate on her.
The amount of unfettered vitriol her mere name invokes is astounding.
I think a lot of the vitriol is a reaction to the fawning nature many on the right take with her. I don't know if she is dumb, but I do know that she couldn't handle the responsibilities of running a state with fewer people than the majority of our metropolitan areas. Why anyone thinks she could handle anything bigger is beyond me.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:59 am to AUCatfish
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I think a lot of the vitriol is a reaction to the fawning nature many on the right take with her.
Substitute right and her with Obama and him and you have what is wrong with this nation's political perspective.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 11:11 am to TbirdSpur2010
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This, more than anything. She's really not any worse than your average politician, but it's chic to hate on her.
The amount of unfettered vitriol her mere name invokes is astounding.
Agreed. Some of the current members of Congress are breathtakingly stupid, but they don't have the name polarizing name recognition of Palin.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 11:30 am to The Spleen
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But to those defending her, I haven't seen anything to back up the claim that she is smart, or at least not dumb.
There's different kinds of dumb. We like to think our Presidents are cosmopolitan. That doesn't really reflect intelligence, IMO. Plenty of absolutely brilliant people are completely "uncosmopolitan." And Palin is not a bit cosmopolitan. (I don't think she's brilliant in an intelligence sense, either).
But there's a pragmatic intelligence which I think we undervalue. For instance, I have a friend who knows a lot about hunting and fishing and classic rock and that's all you could tell by talking to him. By the way, he owns and runs a nice little $10M manufacturing firm. And he's brilliant at it. He knows how to get things done. We need far more of these sorts of people in positions of leadership in this country and far fewer lawyers.
I said it earlier, but I think Palin has a fair amount of pragmatic know-how and can get stuff done.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 11:49 am to the808bass
That's a great point, 808. I place more value on practical accomplishment that almost anything else a politician can come up with.
That's why in my universe, politicians would have term limits and return to their real line of work after contributing to their country. It's amazing how may pinheads in Washington have never held a real job.
That's why in my universe, politicians would have term limits and return to their real line of work after contributing to their country. It's amazing how may pinheads in Washington have never held a real job.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 11:52 am to cas4t
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you'd hit it though
Oh hell yeah!!
Posted on 3/5/14 at 11:54 am to iglass
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That's why in my universe, politicians would have term limits
They do....it's called DON'T REELECT THEM! We have a near perfect system but moron voters won't do their part.
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It's amazing how may pinheads in Washington have never held a real job.
Exactly
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 11:56 am
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:01 pm to CatFan81
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She's an imbecile.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:06 pm to Wtodd
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They do....it's called DON'T REELECT THEM! We have a near perfect system but moron voters won't do their part.
I agree, but voters have the failing belief that "my guy" is not part of the problem. He/she is. Almost always.
I sat down recently and thought about the members of Congress and the Executive branches... given a choice, I would keep less than ten of them. Period. Out of over 500-600 under consideration. They are almost all rotten to the core or flat out worthless. And as a near reactionary conservative, I think that McConnell and Boehner are spineless, gutless, and ball-less. Please, good people of Ohio and Kentucky... FIRE THEM the first chance you get.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:10 pm to the808bass
Maybe I'm just not getting your meaning of "pragmatic intelligence", but I see the word "pragmatic" and think "logical", and Palin to me is far from logical. In regards to politics, I see "pragmatic" and think of someone willing to listen to all sides of an issue and work to find a solution. I don't see that in Palin.
I can see her having a kind of folksy intelligence. Maybe like your friend in your example she doesn't have a wide breadth of knowledge in a lot of things, but the things she does have knowledge on she is very intelligent.
I can see her having a kind of folksy intelligence. Maybe like your friend in your example she doesn't have a wide breadth of knowledge in a lot of things, but the things she does have knowledge on she is very intelligent.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:12 pm to iglass
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I agree, but voters have the failing belief that "my guy" is not part of the problem. He/she is. Almost always.
I sat down recently and thought about the members of Congress and the Executive branches... given a choice, I would keep less than ten of them. Period. Out of over 500-600 under consideration. They are almost all rotten to the core or flat out worthless. And as a near reactionary conservative, I think that McConnell and Boehner are spineless, gutless, and ball-less. Please, good people of Ohio and Kentucky... FIRE THEM the first chance you get.
The only ones IMO that would get a pass are the freshman in both houses, everybody else goes. Now if a freshman is just a moron then he goes too.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:14 pm to the808bass
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but I think Palin has a fair amount of pragmatic know-how and can get stuff done.
I'm curious, based on what?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:20 pm to The Spleen
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Maybe I'm just not getting your meaning of "pragmatic intelligence", but I see the word "pragmatic" and think "logical", and Palin to me is far from logical. In regards to politics, I see "pragmatic" and think of someone willing to listen to all sides of an issue and work to find a solution. I don't see that in Palin.
Pragmatic in the sense of practical versus theoretical. First, Obama works with the opposing viewpoint less than any President we've had in the White House in probably 50 years (probably longer). So, even if Palin was President (which she would never be), she wouldn't be worse than Obama.
Secondly, I find the views and positions ascribed to her to be usually not based in anything she actually did but in a caricature of her position. She governed as a moderate in Alaska, which is why she had an astronomical level of approval prior to the VP bid.
And, most importantly for me, she went after corrupt people in her own party. And that's something that really never happens in Washington.
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