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re: Voter ID: For or Against
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:03 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:03 pm to Stonehog
Maybe. But it's something that hasn't been adequately answered.
Again, at cost, I'm against it. It should be free. That's literally the only way it could be taken as racist (which is terrible flawed logic) because you're implying minorities don't have income.
But if the question is "who's going to pay for it," this is something I wouldn't mind my tax dollars going to as opposed to a lot of other things.
Again, at cost, I'm against it. It should be free. That's literally the only way it could be taken as racist (which is terrible flawed logic) because you're implying minorities don't have income.
But if the question is "who's going to pay for it," this is something I wouldn't mind my tax dollars going to as opposed to a lot of other things.
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:08 pm to 3nOut
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because you're implying minorities don't have income
:sigh:
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:08 pm to Stonehog
Maybe I missed your answer to this and if so I apologize.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:13 pm to The Spleen
Totally for voter ID. If you are a registered voter, you should have to prove you are who you say you are. You should not have to show who you voted for. Nor should your ID be recorded along with your vote.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:13 pm to 3nOut
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No one is arguing that people are too stupid to get an ID. It's the fact that ID's aren't free, so requiring one to vote is indeed like a poll tax. Poll taxes were specifically aimed at preventing black people from voting, so it's largely a symbolic thing.
Sure, a poor black person could probably scrounge for $25, but the photo ID laws reek of Jim Crow and that's a big reason people don't like them.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:26 pm to Stonehog
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and that's a big reason people don't like them.
Lol. No. The Democrats don't like them because they're scared they'll lose votes. They don't care if those votes are legitimate or illegitimate. They just don't want to lose them.
Flip that and you have the Republican position.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:30 pm to Stonehog
OK. Yeah I remember that.
It just wasn't a good argument.
It just wasn't a good argument.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:39 pm to 3nOut
voter fraud is such a non issue that it's hilarious anyone would think politicians would go through this much effort just to curb something that is essentially non-existent
it's not about "election integrity" and it never has been
it's not about "election integrity" and it never has been
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:41 pm to Gladius Veritas
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voter fraud is such a non issue that it's hilarious anyone would think politicians would go through this much effort just to curb something that is essentially non-existent
The number of legitimate voters that would be disenfranchised by requiring voter ID is such a non-issue that it's hilarious anyone would think politicians would go through this much effort just to fight for those two people.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:51 pm to the808bass
Not even close, bud.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:07 am to Stonehog
You're so idealistic, you can't even see both sides of the argument. It would be amazing if it wasn't so common.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:43 am to the808bass
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you can't even see both sides of the argument
I can actually, except you made a bad comparison. The number of eligible voters who would be affected by voter ID is far greater than the number of instances of voter impersonation.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:49 am to Stonehog
When will you see black people as equals, Stonehog?
Your racism is killing me inside, why do you hate them so much?
Your racism is killing me inside, why do you hate them so much?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:50 am to Stonehog
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The number of eligible voters who would be affected by voter ID is far greater than the number of instances of voter impersonation.
That's your supposition. The actual number of either would probably be small. I'm not playing a game of comparison of sizes, but rather comparing to the whole. Both are rather small.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:32 pm to the808bass
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That's your supposition
No, it's a fact actually. If you would take 5 minutes to research the topic, you could stop looking so foolish.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:43 pm to Stonehog
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No, it's a fact actually. If you would take 5 minutes to research the topic, you could stop looking so foolish.
So the fact that few people are caught impersonating voters means that few people impersonate voters? Faulty logic. But par.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 12:46 pm to the808bass
So what's your pretend number of average voter impersonation cases? Can you at least provide some figures instead of just guessing?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:07 pm to Stonehog
What's your pretend number of disenfranchised voters without ID? Figures. Not guessing.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:12 pm to the808bass
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What's your pretend number of disenfranchised voters without ID? Figures. Not guessing.
11% of all eligible voters.
Your turn.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:15 pm to the808bass
A few different studies by very liberal groups have concluded that voter ID laws would be a waste of time because voting fraud 'hardly ever happens' - big fricking surprise there.
I think it's BS and you should have to prove you are who you say you are to decide on the people who run this country. If you can't get yourself to a probate office to get a free ID then you weren't going to vote anyway. There's literally no defense for this position - just liberals knowing how it will affect their bottom line and trying to stave it off.
I think it's BS and you should have to prove you are who you say you are to decide on the people who run this country. If you can't get yourself to a probate office to get a free ID then you weren't going to vote anyway. There's literally no defense for this position - just liberals knowing how it will affect their bottom line and trying to stave it off.
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