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re: To those that experienced the 80s
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:40 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 2/2/16 at 11:40 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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You're mistaken. My comments were quite cogent. You failed to keep up with the context
They were specifically interjecting race into a statement that simply referenced that people felt safer in a certain time. I'm sure both blacks and whites felt safer, than they do in current times in neighborhoods across America. It was less populated and more rural. At no other point in the thread, was race or racial discussions being had.
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Yes, and I'll say that that goes both ways, given the incidence of harsher penalties for black people when charged with the same crime as a white counterpart
So... things are better today, except they aren't?
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However, none of the above is as pervasive as "separate but equal" (and let's be clear that the supposed "equal" was far from it in reality) being the law of the land, no matter how you try to spin it.
Separate but equal, again.. was not a prevailing thing in the 80's. However.. let's go down this road.. are State University's not representative to a degree of what the State sanctions. Now that many University's are falling to demands of forced segregation by black students.. how is this not to a degree State backed segregation?
I understand, and am not blind to the policies of the past and the prejudices by any means. I've lived closer to it than you. But to deny that there isn't just as much if not more today, is simply trying to bury your head in the sand. I would go so far as stating that this country has as bad of race relations as I've ever seen in my adult life. I would also say it's as good as its been too.
It's easy to demonize the past and look upon it as the worst of times, but people are still the same today, whether you'd like to acknowledge it or not. And there are the same prejudices. And some of it is in the black community now, which is larger, more galvanized and better equipped to force issues than it once was. This isn't to say that all blacks are racist and prejudiced or segregationist.. but there is a very large portion that is. Just as there are whites.
As I said earlier.. it's what it is.. no matter which side of the coin you flip.
And the 80's was still better than today.
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:05 am to Alahunter
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They were specifically interjecting race into a statement that simply referenced that people felt safer in a certain time.
Not just safer. Also more trusting. Reread my quote.
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I'm sure both blacks and whites felt safer, than they do in current times in neighborhoods across America.
You'd be horribly mistaken on the first count.
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At no other point in the thread, was race or racial discussions being had.
Irrelevant. As I've shown, I brought it up as a germane rebuttal to an erroneous assertion.
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So... things are better today, except they aren't?
On that front? Things are far better, but they're far from perfect. Never intimated otherwise, tbh.
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Separate but equal, again.. was not a prevailing thing in the 80's.
It's like you're incapable of understanding context in a conversation tonight. I brought up Plessy v. Ferguson as a rebuttal to the "safer/more trusting in the 60s" comment. You know this, and are being obtuse
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are State University's not representative to a degree of what the State sanctions. Now that many University's are falling to demands of forced segregation by black students.. how is this not to a degree State backed segregation?
Excellent point. As you know, I'm not a proponent of affirmative action.
However, I defy you to insinuate that AA is tantamount to "separate but equal," especially considering major state universities are majority white. Is it an outdated practice? Sure, I'll readily cede that. It had its purpose, but that time has passed. However, it's nowhere near analogous to what Brown v. Board of Education overturned. To suggest otherwise shows a lack of comprehension of the legal precedent.
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I understand, and am not blind to the policies of the past and the prejudices by any means. I've lived closer to it than you. But to deny that there isn't just as much if not more today, is simply trying to bury your head in the sand.
There is nothing today on the sheer scale of the segregation era. To assert that there is is engaging in hyperbole for arguments' sake.
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I would go so far as stating that this country has as bad of race relations as I've ever seen in my adult life. I would also say it's as good as its been too.
These statements are cannot be reconciled.
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It's easy to demonize the past and look upon it as the worst of times, but people are still the same today, whether you'd like to acknowledge it or not.
I've already said as much itt.
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And some of it is in the black community now, which is larger, more galvanized and better equipped to force issues than it once was.
There is no black community. Certainly not galvanized. The more time passes, the more eclectic the backgrounds of black people become. Yes, there are those who're more able to assume the bully pulpit of social media to advance a cause, but that's hardly exclusive to those with a high melanin count. And you'll find that plenty of black people are diametrically opposed to what groups like BLM and individuals like Jesse Jackson spew. Now, more than ever, there is not a single voice for black people--homogeneity will only hasten in the coming years. And that's a massive positive.
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This isn't to say that all blacks are racist and prejudiced or segregationist.. but there is a very large portion that is. Just as there are whites.
Granted. I'm of the firm belief that those numbers will continue to dwindle, just as they have since your halcyon 80s.
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As I said earlier.. it's what it is.. no matter which side of the coin you flip.
It is always what it is, of course
Gotta be mindful to use an analogous coin, though, or your perspective will be skewed, whether you lived closer to the times in question or not. Garbage in, garbage out, as it were. quote:
And the 80's was still better than today.
Only because I was born to improve them and carry the torch forward
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:07 am to bamafan1001
I feel so left out. 
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:23 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Not just safer. Also more trusting. Reread my quote.
Ok.. more trusting too. If, by your argument, it was more segregated, wouldn't blacks feel more trusting among those they felt a kindred spirit with?
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You'd be horribly mistaken on the first count.
Hard to see how you can make a definitive statement about a time, contrary to mine, when you didn't live in that time period, and I did. Just sayin.
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Irrelevant. As I've shown, I brought it up as a germane rebuttal to an erroneous assertion.
The assertion had no racial connotations or overtones.
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I brought up Plessy v. Ferguson as a rebuttal to the "safer/more trusting in the 60s" comment.
Which was an 1896 ruling, and by your admission overturned in the 50's. Still not in relation to the 60's or the 70's. Or the 80's.
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However, I defy you to insinuate that AA is tantamount to "separate but equal," especially considering major state universities are majority white. Is it an outdated practice? Sure, I'll readily cede that. It had its purpose, but that time has passed. However, it's nowhere near analogous to what Brown v. Board of Education overturned. To suggest otherwise shows a lack of comprehension of the legal precedent
I simply make the claim that prejudice is prejudice, no matter the race. I can make a specific claim where AA personally affected me. You could walk into the City of Birmingham and see the disparity in employees. And again.. you cite a 50's ruling, nothing to do with living in the 80's. I would simply argue that the trailing off of many prejudiced and state supported actions were happening in the 80's. And many are beginning now, under the guise of "safe places". Prejudice and racism is the same no matter how you try to dress it.
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There is nothing today on the sheer scale of the segregation era. To assert that there is is engaging in hyperbole for arguments' sake
Again.. pre the times that were really being discussed.
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Gotta be mindful to use an analogous coin, though, or your perspective will be skewed, whether you lived closer to the times in question or not. Garbage in, garbage out, as it were.
I feel I was. And am perhaps a bit more observant of what is happening. Not being a millennial and having life experience, I have perspective somewhat on what actually happened during certain time periods vs what is taught or perceived as happened. I've seen race relations digress a great deal from what they were just 30 yrs ago. And it didn't take long for it to happen. I've also seen much growth in other situations. There are a myriad of reasons for both which would be to lengthy to really get into on a message board probably. But it's not exclusive to just whites being prejudiced. Nor is it all to be blamed on blacks.
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Only because I was born to improve them and carry the torch forward
Nah.. it was the fabulous hair.. and music videos..
What's on YOUR mind?
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:34 am to bamafan1001
It kicked arse. Society has gotten prudish.
After parties were the best. Bars close, open up about an hour later if you're on the list.
After parties were the best. Bars close, open up about an hour later if you're on the list.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
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After parties were the best. Bars close, open up about an hour later if you're on the list.
Maybe you're just no longer on the lists :-P
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:03 am to TbirdSpur2010
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No Internet.
And quit being a sniveling, whining pussy.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:07 am to bamafan1001
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booming economy,
Massive government spending will do that.
You might want to go read up on the Saving and Loan crisis.
Reagan's administration was as corrupt as there as ever been.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:15 am to TbirdSpur2010
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No Internet.
True..
But we also know how to survive should the internet crash.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:51 am to TbirdSpur2010
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I'm just thanking God y'all didn't have cell phones
Bag phones, T.
Had one that seemed to be the size of a Yugo and weighed about as much...but damn I thought I was a badass hauling that monstrosity around in my VW convertible while "Lose Your Love" by The Outfield blared from the tape deck.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:23 am to Agforlife
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I'm older than hunter but younger than rooster
48 here. 49 is on the horizon though.
Eta, and the 80's rocked. Don't let anyone fool you
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 6:24 am
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:56 am to Alahunter
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Ok.. more trusting too. If, by your argument, it was more segregated, wouldn't blacks feel more trusting among those they felt a kindred spirit with?
Are you kidding me? That's a horrible way to live
"Yeah, just stick with your race and you won't have any trust issues. Don't worry about trying to better yourself or move to a better neighborhood or broaden your horizons."
Being able to trust only your race when you're a minority always having to look over your shoulder is a terrible setup, and definitely doesn't inspire trust on a broad scale, as wmr implied earlier.
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Hard to see how you can make a definitive statement about a time, contrary to mine, when you didn't live in that time period, and I did. Just sayin.
I really don't care if you think black people thought they were safer back in the day. It's an erroneous notion.
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The assertion had no racial connotations or overtones.
It didn't have to to be erroneous from a racial standpoint. You're taking umbrage with the fact that I used a racial perspective to refute wmr's statement, as if doing so detracts from its validity. That's an intellectually disingenuous tack on your part.
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Which was an 1896 ruling, and by your admission overturned in the 50's. Still not in relation to the 60's or the 70's.
You do realize that Brown v. Board was only the first of such overturnings, correct? And it was met with plenty of resistance and subsequent rulings well into the 60s and 70s, which was the time frame I was discussing with wmr before you jumped in half-cocked.
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And again.. you cite a 50's ruling, nothing to do with living in the 80's
Again, it's like you have no concept of context within a thread.
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. I would simply argue that the trailing off of many prejudiced and state supported actions were happening in the 80's. And many are beginning now, under the guise of "safe places". Prejudice and racism is the same no matter how you try to dress it.
Racism is racism--I was discussing the scope of the same. AA today is nowhere near the pervasive scale of systemic racial segregation across the board. Trying to argue otherwise is victimhood at its finest.
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I've seen race relations digress a great deal from what they were just 30 yrs ago.
And yet you also say race relations are the best they've been in many respects. You can't have it both ways.
We're obviously trending in the right direction with race relations. Don't let sensationalist media mislead you.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 6:57 am to Carolina_Girl
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Bag phones, T.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:11 am to TbirdSpur2010
What the heck has been going on in this thread????
Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:36 am to Old Sarge
This, that, and the other thing
Posted on 2/3/16 at 7:44 am to LanierSpots
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48 here. 49 is on the horizon though.
Eta, and the 80's rocked. Don't let anyone fool you
Just hit 49 and am glad that I grew up in the late 70's 80's but I'm not one to get caught up in nostalgia. I thoroughly enjoy the advances in technology, music and movies we have now.
To pine for the old days especially for those that weren't alive then is ridiculous because they have no idea how it actually was. And for those of us that did live during that time our memory tends to remember the good and forget the bad so can be unreliable also.
Enjoy the great tunes watch our cheesy movies and sitcoms but remember there was no Shermer Illinois.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:09 am to bamafan1001
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Sorry if I dont pretend that the past 10 years have been sunshine and roses. They havent been.
Sorry your life sucks. I was an 80's kid and I'd take today over then any day. Life has never been better for me.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:09 am to Alahunter
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Its the exact same thing,
Jesus Christ, this is one the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here. For someone that apparently grew up in Alabama, you have a very ignorant view of its history.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:13 am to Alahunter
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Still had no bearing on the time frame or discussion.
Well, spoke too soon. This one might be dumber.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 8:40 am to bamafan1001
I haven't read through the entire thread but hopefully people aren't talking about feeling safer in the 80's when the violent crime rate then was over double what it is today.
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