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re: This thing is getting scary
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:26 pm to Possumslayer
Posted on 3/20/20 at 8:26 pm to Possumslayer
Go look at some posts on this board 3-4 weeks ago. People were calling it a hoax, a made-up story to get rid of Trump, etc. When people tried to warn that things were gonna get bad, we were called "chicken littles".
It was obvious that things were going to get bad when we, as a country, were all acting like it wasn't a problem and not doing anything to stop/slow the spread. Now that we are trying to get it under control, I hope we can get through it and make a quick recovery.
I'm not trying to spread panic, but we still have a ways to go. I'm hoping things start leveling off in a week and a half, and then we have 3-4 more weeks of social isolation. After that maybe we'll get some sports in empty stands and can start going back to work.
Still got a long way to go, but we've already made it through one full week of shut down!
It was obvious that things were going to get bad when we, as a country, were all acting like it wasn't a problem and not doing anything to stop/slow the spread. Now that we are trying to get it under control, I hope we can get through it and make a quick recovery.
I'm not trying to spread panic, but we still have a ways to go. I'm hoping things start leveling off in a week and a half, and then we have 3-4 more weeks of social isolation. After that maybe we'll get some sports in empty stands and can start going back to work.
Still got a long way to go, but we've already made it through one full week of shut down!
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Posted on 3/20/20 at 11:25 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
You could tell it was a serious fricking problem when the leaks were coming out of China, as usual people started disappearing and the entirety of Wuhan was completely cut off from the rest of the world.
I have no idea what Trump was doing or saying, but my assumption is that his cabinet just did not want everyone to suddenly jump out of the stock market (like our glorious leaders on both sides of the aisle did).
In the end, there was little we could have done to stop this -- it should have been China. They were the ones who needed to tell everyone what the frick was going on rather than putting on a pretty face to stop us from knowing what was happening.
China really, really fricked over the entire world and WHO was pretty much begging them to just be honest about it. We could have had these measures in December, months before it worked its way into our population -- but China cares so fricking much about their stupid reputation.
I have no idea what Trump was doing or saying, but my assumption is that his cabinet just did not want everyone to suddenly jump out of the stock market (like our glorious leaders on both sides of the aisle did).
In the end, there was little we could have done to stop this -- it should have been China. They were the ones who needed to tell everyone what the frick was going on rather than putting on a pretty face to stop us from knowing what was happening.
China really, really fricked over the entire world and WHO was pretty much begging them to just be honest about it. We could have had these measures in December, months before it worked its way into our population -- but China cares so fricking much about their stupid reputation.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 12:43 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
After things settle down a bit, is it possible that we might see victims and/or their families suing the Chinese government in US courts?
Posted on 3/21/20 at 12:46 am to BHMKyle
Kyle, what would the numbers look like if you compared other countries' statistics to California, instead of the US as a whole? That might look interesting.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:46 am to Rambler
I don't think there'll be legal ramifications per se, but I can feel a global shift away from Chinese manufacturing and other economic pathways, much like with what happened with Russia.
After Huawei (I actually work with Telcel in Mexico City, and they're an official carrier there, so I have some...inside information) and multiple other serious breaches of trust regarding information + patents I can see the vast majority of the world avoiding doing business in China.
How they respond will be interesting, but I have a sneaking suspicion that if they're wrong and they haven't cured it, they won't have much of a choice but to bow down to the literal rest of the world outside of North Korea.
I think Russia is looking to get back into the fold of things, especially with Putin's rhetoric. Going to be very interesting once the dust settles.
After Huawei (I actually work with Telcel in Mexico City, and they're an official carrier there, so I have some...inside information) and multiple other serious breaches of trust regarding information + patents I can see the vast majority of the world avoiding doing business in China.
How they respond will be interesting, but I have a sneaking suspicion that if they're wrong and they haven't cured it, they won't have much of a choice but to bow down to the literal rest of the world outside of North Korea.
I think Russia is looking to get back into the fold of things, especially with Putin's rhetoric. Going to be very interesting once the dust settles.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 7:58 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I have no idea what Trump was doing or saying, but my assumption is that his cabinet just did not want everyone to suddenly jump out of the stock market (like our glorious leaders on both sides of the aisle did).
Reports coming out are that Trump took what Xi Jinping was saying about the virus at face value and that is why it took him so long to take any action.
This isn't a personal attack on Trump so the Trump lovers can put down their pitchforks and torches... but this is a side effect of the "deep state" distrust. The belief that this shadowy cabal secretly runs DC (when they aren't busy being cannibal pedophiles) means that people aren't willing to trust government experts.
So when you get someone like Trump, who has bought into this belief, in office they tend to ignore those experts and go with "personal" relationships. Yes. The President of the United States trusts a murderous dictator more than he does his own intelligence agencies.
To borrow a line from the Indiana Jones movies... "He choose poorly."
We still aren't sure how wide spread the virus is at this point but evidence suggests it is several orders of magnitude worse than we initially believed. Worse it appears to getting more deadly and is a virus capable of rapid mutation. This is going to be a hell of a fight to get rid of this thing.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 8:37 am to Arksulli
I know I bag on Trump enough on this website, but I do think people need to start waking up and seeing that his personality and approach to leadership fricked us early on here. There's no excuse for the president to not see through China's lies when us regular citizens all knew it was B.S.
I have been saying that I don't see how Trump recovers from this, but the Democrats seem to be unwilling to roll out a halfway reasonable candidate, so I honestly don't know what's going to happen to this country. The presidential candidates have been narrowed to three old men that are honestly all probably suffering from varying levels of mental degradation. Our political parties suck arse when it comes to producing leaders these days.
I have been saying that I don't see how Trump recovers from this, but the Democrats seem to be unwilling to roll out a halfway reasonable candidate, so I honestly don't know what's going to happen to this country. The presidential candidates have been narrowed to three old men that are honestly all probably suffering from varying levels of mental degradation. Our political parties suck arse when it comes to producing leaders these days.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 8:44 am to PlateJohnsonIII
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Our political parties suck arse when it comes to producing leaders these days.
Not to turn this into a political thread... but in 2016 I said that we, as a country, had failed when the best we could offer was Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Now 2020 has stepped up and declared hold my beer.
There is something to be said for electing younger politicians who have the sheer energy to cope with the inevitable disasters that will come their way.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 8:46 am to Rambler
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After things settle down a bit, is it possible that we might see victims and/or their families suing the Chinese government in US courts?
Unlikely, but there will likely be a lot of domestic lawsuits.
Any retribution to be had on China is going to come from federal action like economic sanctions.
There is still a lot of fog around the whole China situation. Here's my best attempt at an uneducated take.
If all China did was lie about the numbers and severity early on, than they definitely deserve some sort of retribution from the rest of the world because that means this thing was spreading outside of their country without the rest of the world having advanced noticed. Absolutely shitty and pathetic.
However, if this is the case then some of the blame for our domestic problems still must fall on our government - most likely our president. The villainy of the Chinese government is not a newly discovered concept.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:06 am to PlateJohnsonIII
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I have been saying that I don't see how Trump recovers from this
His approval numbers have gone up
Up 4%
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:13 am to Weagle25
people be stupid
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:17 am to Arksulli
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I said that we, as a country, had failed when the best we could offer was Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Now 2020 has stepped up and declared hold my beer.
So true
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There is something to be said for electing younger politicians who have the sheer energy to cope with the inevitable disasters that will come their way.
Yeah, I guess but on the flip there’s far too many young people who are uber political now in my opinion, I just want to smack the shite out of most of them when they start their upturned schmarmy toned comments as if they’ve lived such a long tortuous life. And in saying that, I don’t mind a simple opinion on things- in fact it’s good to question decisions and have new ideas but it’s the ‘know it all’ tone that brings out my get off my lawnness. Get out (when times are normal), have fun, keep your eyes open and experience life as an adult- the good and the bad- then come at me with your bitching.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 11:18 am
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:43 am to Rambler
What US court would have jurisdiction over the Chinese gov’t?
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 11:44 am
Posted on 3/21/20 at 3:21 pm to Arksulli
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Reports coming out are that Trump took what Xi Jinping was saying about the virus at face value and that is why it took him so long to take any action.
I just don't believe this.
If I saw reports coming out of China from the comfort of my own computer, there's no way that the American government didn't have more information. Also, it's kind of an open secret that Trump wildly distrusts China. I'm no defender of Trump, but I think people make him out to be a lot more idiotic than he actually is.
I have no doubt he had the information well before I did, and he declared it a hoax after I saw video after video of what was going on in Wuhan (before they started breaking phones and people started to disappear into "quarantines" which they would never return).
Posted on 3/21/20 at 3:46 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
1,603 deaths total so far today (1,352 yesterday)
793 in Italy (627 yesterday) think they usually release numbers once a day so could be final.
32 in USA (49 yesterday)
793 in Italy (627 yesterday) think they usually release numbers once a day so could be final.
32 in USA (49 yesterday)
Posted on 3/21/20 at 3:52 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I just don't believe this.
Which is your prerogative. But increasingly reports have stated that Trump, did, in fact, take Xi at his word.
You mistake Trump wants a trade war with China with Trump personally trusting Xi being mutually exclusive. They aren't. Everything Trump has accomplished in his life has been built on personal relationships. Personal relationships mean more to him than any government briefing. Even though he, himself, has all the loyalty of a rattlesnake with a tooth ache.
Trump believed Xi because he really, really wanted to believe Xi. No President, Trump especially, wants to confront "frick me, a global pandemic is about to happen a year or so after I gutted our ability to respond to such an event like a trout."
Until a few short days ago Trump was grasping at every straw he could. I'm not saying he's an idiot. I'm saying he is someone who doubled down and then doubled down again. Which is exactly what he has done his entire life.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 4:59 pm to AllbyMyRelf
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What US court would have jurisdiction over the Chinese gov’t?
I recalled some previous lawsuits so looked up a couple for reference. I'm not saying the suits would be successful, but I'd actually be a little surprised if someone doesn't file one.
Federal lawsuits against Iran for supporting Taliban
9/11 victims win lawsuit against Iran
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:27 pm to Arksulli
I think people disproportionately attribute stupidity to Trump, and that they are always sorely disappointed later on when he comes out on top. I obviously don't know what's in Trump's mind, and no one can pretend to -- but every single shred of evidence from the squares adjacent to him suggests that he just said: "Sure, China, you're not known for lying or covering things up. I totally believe you."
He has a severe dislike for China and their government, and neither of us can know what he thought -- we can just agree that the Chinese government is world-renowned for lying and that the U.S. Intelligence Agencies are, in fact, very good at uncovering data.
He has a severe dislike for China and their government, and neither of us can know what he thought -- we can just agree that the Chinese government is world-renowned for lying and that the U.S. Intelligence Agencies are, in fact, very good at uncovering data.
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:30 pm to Rambler
Oh, I think we will certainly see some attempts.
I think there is certainly accountability coming for China as well.
They better hope all those Muslims they put in camps are unharmed because it's not going to look very good if they effectively put people into "camps" because of their religion and then said people just happened to die. That just seems a little too familiar.
I think there is certainly accountability coming for China as well.
They better hope all those Muslims they put in camps are unharmed because it's not going to look very good if they effectively put people into "camps" because of their religion and then said people just happened to die. That just seems a little too familiar.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
US numbers as of today
23,468
Currently Infected Patients
23,404 (100%)
in Mild Condition
64 (0%)
Serious or Critical
This is what we are ending the founding fathers experiment for.
23,468
Currently Infected Patients
23,404 (100%)
in Mild Condition
64 (0%)
Serious or Critical
This is what we are ending the founding fathers experiment for.
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