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re: Theories on Universe/ Existence
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:30 pm to derSturm37
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:30 pm to derSturm37
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Present all this cutting edge discovery to the masses in a form and on a level that we could enjoy and appreciate and understand.
I'm afraid that the information is coming at a pace and amount that is beginning to overwhelm even the scientific community. We are living in the golden age of technology.
It isn't possible to keep up with every aspect of scientific discovery. There are many wonderful science shows that highlight discoveries, such as National Geographic and Nova but even they can only summarize.
If you're interested in a particular area of science, YouTube is a wonderful source of continually current videos about any subject. Most often the videos are extremely well done and aren't lengthy studies that can lead to boredom.
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:34 pm to Kentucker
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When you used the LSD were you able to make any connections or associations between bits of information that you could not achieve before? I ask this because I've heard some people say that they were able to understand many things under the effects of LSD that they could not previously.
Yes, I was more easily able to understand some things I couldn't before and was I came down couldn't understand as well again, but still remembered the idea and connection.
In the early days of LSD research scientists would dose professionals who were stuck on problems. Architects, engineers, other scientists, even furniture designers. They would sit them down in the a room and have them work on their professional problem while on LSD and the overwhelming majority were able to think outside the box and solve their problem, or create a better design, that they wouldn't have thought of before.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:37 pm to LSU1NSEC
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I'm fascinated with the uncertainty principle and the ongoing experiments involved with it. Supposedly, even Einstein was blown away with the implications
Yes, Einstein was shaken by some of the discoveries that he made. He was so far ahead of everybody else that he discovered things such as his "cosmological constant" and "spookiness at a distance (what we now call quantum nonlocality)" and dismissed them because they didn't make sense.
Imagine what that powerful mind of his could be doing with the information we now have about the quantum world!
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:41 pm to Kentucker
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When you used the LSD were you able to make any connections or associations between bits of information that you could not achieve before? I ask this because I've heard some people say that they were able to understand many things under the effects of LSD that they could not previously.
Yes. But since my mind is more inclined to philosophy and psychology and maybe even sociology (I hate to admit that) than to physics and chemistry and such then I would be hard pressed to tell you something that would impress you. In other words I can't relate a lot of moments when I gained a greater understanding of calculus, for instance. I rarely think of calculus and so if my mind has ever become more capable of understanding it on LSD then I probably let the opportunity pass almost unnoticed. I did achieve a great appreciation for Freudian psychology via LSD. And I got a lot of insight into biology (taxonomy particularly) on some acid trips that later proved to be probably accurate discoveries and realizations. Geometry? God yes.
Mostly a whole lot of "spiritual" type stuff, for lack of a better term. (And there probably isn't one). Realizing that 1) there is GOD, 2) It is Mind, 3) the universe is its fancy, 4) there is no "good" nor "evil" there is only the fancy, and 5) everything is part of the fancy and is so perfectly interconnected and construed as to be perfectly brilliant and beautiful 24/7.
But I would totally buy into the theory that a physicist could take some LSD and focus on some particular mystery and walk away 8 hours later a better physicist with the problem past solved.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:48 pm to BowlJackson
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Yes, I was more easily able to understand some things I couldn't before and was I came down couldn't understand as well again, but still remembered the idea and connection.
IIRC it was Stanford that conducted some very successful trials with LSD in the 1950s. However, the CIA forced the school to shut down their program because it was being explored for military use and the government didn't want any competition at the time. So they outlawed LSD.
Such a shame. Because LSD was made illegal, no other private programs have been allowed to continue to experiment with it.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:53 pm to Kentucker
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Because LSD was made illegal, no other private programs have been allowed to continue to experiment with it.
I can almost guarantee that the CIA has continued to do so!
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:57 pm to derSturm37
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But I would totally buy into the theory that a physicist could take some LSD and focus on some particular mystery and walk away 8 hours later a better physicist with the problem past solved.
That's encouraging. Though I've never partaken of LSD, or any other non-medicinal drug for that matter, I'm convinced that it isn't the scourge we're told about and that it might very well be highly effective both as a medicine (especially psychiatric) and as a recreational drug that can put its users into a special state that promotes understanding.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:58 pm to derSturm37
derSturm37, have you ever tried light/sound therapy with the l/s machines? I use it for entrainment. Sort of like training your mind to get to a meditative state. Really interesting stuff.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 12:23 am to Kentucker
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I'm convinced that it isn't the scourge we're told about and that it might very well be highly effective both as a medicine (especially psychiatric) and as a recreational drug that can put its users into a special state that promotes understanding.
I still find myself dumbfounded as to why marijuana is still illegal. A state in which alcohol is legal and marijuana is illegal is a very confused state. When it comes to LSD, however, things are admittedly quite different.
I'm not saying LSD is bad. I have lauded it here and now obviously. And I'm not even saying that it is good for some people and yet bad for others. What I am saying is this:
If LSD became socially acceptable then society would change. It would usher in the biggest social change in the shortest amount of time in the known history of man. It took christianity over 1000 years to change half a world from cave monkey barbarians to only half-cave monkey barbarians. LSD's becoming as popular as marijuana would mean a TOTALLY different world than any of us can possibly imagine. And this would take place almost literally overnight.
So I CAN empathize with the government's paranoid reactions to it. We all fear the unknown. The unknown is scary. 100 million Americans thinking nothing of experimenting with LSD would lead to only god knows what.
I'm not saying that it would be bad! Probably it would be awesome! But almost certainly the powers that be in Washington would find themselves rather immediately unemployed.
This post was edited on 8/16/15 at 12:33 am
Posted on 8/16/15 at 12:25 am to LSU1NSEC
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derSturm37, have you ever tried light/sound therapy with the l/s machines? I use it for entrainment. Sort of like training your mind to get to a meditative state. Really interesting stuff.
No, I haven't, but I've been tempted. I'm interested, in other words. I just haven't made the plunge, yet.
Share your experience(s) if you feel like it!
Posted on 8/16/15 at 12:53 am to BowlJackson
Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world
Posted on 8/16/15 at 1:24 am to auzach91
Well, I have always been told I have pretty eyes 
Posted on 8/16/15 at 1:41 am to Kentucker
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Though I've never partaken of LSD, or any other non-medicinal drug for that matter, I'm convinced that it isn't the scourge we're told about and that it might very well be highly effective both as a medicine (especially psychiatric)
As awesome as LSD can be, just like any drug it can and will be abused. And again like any drug when people abuse it and go past those levels that can be beneficial or therapeutic, it can become very dangerous.
I knew a guy in HS who was very messed up and downed an entire vile of liquid LSD (a few hundred doses at least) and he lost his mind because of it. I'm told that the more LSD you take, that on top of increasing the intensity of the trip it can also increase the time span of your trip. Well this guy ended up locked in a psychiatric ward for several months, I'm told the whole nine yards with a straight jacket in a padded room. It was apparently a very bad trip and I'm told for a length of time he imagined himself as a carrot and everybody who came into his room as a rabbit trying to eat him. This happened 8 years ago and he's still a headcase to this day. I used to see him walk around our hometown main roads for miles everyday staring at the ground and muttering to himself the whole time.
LSD can have incredible psychological advantages, but too much of anything is a bad thing and I believe too much LSD has some terribly negative side effects.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:37 am to derSturm37
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I still find myself dumbfounded as to why marijuana is still illegal
Luckily decriminalization appears to be right on the horizon for all states. I believe most people have always known the general harmlessness of marijuana and recent medical advances with it also strengthen the cause, but I think the catalyst to decriminalization/ legality of marijuana is that the government is starting to realize the potential benefits it will bring themselves with tax money.
Unfortunately the government is looking out for themselves and the people with the most money and that is the case with the legality of marijuana. The initial lobbying in Washington to outlaw marijuana and the public propaganda campaign to demonize marijuana was funded by the DuPont corporation. Back then DuPont owned every major Military fabric contract. They provided the US military with the fabric to make uniforms, parachutes, ropes, and all sorts of things. DuPont saw how cheap hemp was to make and how durable the fibers were and saw how it threatened their military contracts and public sales. Even then they couldn't get the votes to outright outlaw marijuana, so they put a tax on it. You couldn't have or grow marijuana without a tax stamp provided by the federal government, and the way the law was written you couldn't obtain the tax stamp without already having and showing up at the office in D.C. with it, breaking several laws in the process.
My grandfather was actually issued one of these tax stamps and he and several farmers in his Iowa town grew and provided hemp to a government owned factory that produced hemp rope.
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If LSD became socially acceptable then society would change. It would usher in the biggest social change in the shortest amount of time in the known history of man.
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So I CAN empathize with the government's paranoid reactions to it.
I was about to make that exact point. I believe that once world governments began to experiment with and find out what LSD was all about in the 50's and realized it's potential they grew scared and outlawed it. Governments control people and stay in power by influencing the masses, and by controlling what they're exposed to you can influence the way they think. A drug that can potentially enlighten people and turn the masses into free thinkers is a very frightening thing to those in charge.
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LSD's becoming as popular as marijuana would mean a TOTALLY different world than any of us can possibly imagine.
The big problem with this is marijuana is so popular despite being illegal because it's a natural substance. If you can grow a plant you can have marijuana, so it's hard to control.
LSD is different, it's a chemical compound and you need a chemist to produce it properly. Because of that and it's legal standing a lot of the "acid" floating around today is actually not LSD, but different chemical compounds that are similar LSD. There a lot of people who know nothing about chemistry and use low grade ingredients to produce these drugs. I've always been told in today's world that LSD and "acid" are different things and to stay away from "acid." Because it's different but similar it has similar yet different effects. The fake "acid" is more likely to give you a bad trip, or to even have negative psychological or physical health side effects.
One of the more common types of "Acid" these days actually has a chemical that is a major ingredient in rat poison. Rat poison works by constricting bones causing the victim to suffocate. Obviously this won't happen to you because of the small dose compared to the large size of a human, but if you've ever sat or laid own during a trip or gone to bed soon after a trip and felt the urge to curl up into a ball, that's where that comes from. I've actually experienced that feeling (before I knew of this, so no placebo) and that is not something I would choose to put in my body again.
I still might dose once in a blue moon for a show or something, but I'm very careful about the source I get it from.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 6:48 am to BowlJackson
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Posted on 8/16/15 at 11:21 am to BowlJackson
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Patterns exist everywhere in nature. Of course human's will tend to see that. Until you can prove there is no connection, then they are not meaningless
Until you can prove there is a meaningful connection, it is in fact meaningless.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 11:36 am to rbWarEagle
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Until you can prove there is a meaningful connection, it is in fact meaningless.
contemplating if it has meaning gives it meaning
Posted on 8/16/15 at 12:01 pm to hawgfaninc
I suppose it depends on your use of the word "meaning". If you are talking about a meaning assigned by a given observer, sure. If you are talking about meaning in the existential form (an intent or an end), no.
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