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re: Theories on Universe/ Existence
Posted on 8/15/15 at 9:32 pm to BowlJackson
Posted on 8/15/15 at 9:32 pm to BowlJackson
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every night we did acid and ended up on he back porch looking at the sky and discussing things like this.
have read that acid opens up new portions of your brain that people who don't take acid never use
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Posted on 8/15/15 at 9:39 pm to BowlJackson
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Exactly. But is it Christian like God, of whom there is only one that is all-powerful and purposely created us? Or is our "God" one of many of his kind that either all posses the ability to create universes with their brain power, or who's brains naturally and unknowingly create a universe within themselves?
doubt we'll ever know for sure
but the creation of the universe in the Bible, how it instantly comes into existence and how God speaks to people in the bible but they never see him, makes the idea of everything being in God's head an interesting thought process imo.
I'm not that familiar with other creation theories from other religions to know if there are similarities that could fit in with everything being in their creators mind.
eta and the bible says we're made in God's image
This post was edited on 8/15/15 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 8/15/15 at 9:40 pm to hawgfaninc
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have read that acid opens up new portions of your brain that people who don't take acid never use
It definitely forms connections that would never have been formed otherwise. And we're talking about connections in the TRILLIONS.
As to "opening up portions" I don't know. That sounds a bit figurative. But I'm just playing english major really.
The shite's amazing.
Mushrooms and Peyote do the same thing, and aren't the only other similar things by any stretch.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 9:52 pm to hawgfaninc
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derSturm37
Those are things that I have also wondered before. To me the waste of time is worrying about the material things, and things that are life milestones to most people are meaningless to me like prom or walking across the stage at graduation, or whatever the current facebook trend is.
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have read that acid opens up new portions of your brain that people who don't take acid never use
I believe this to be true. I've had my share of experiences with various hallucinogens. The experience I felt opened me up the most actually came from smoking Salvia. I honestly felt like I connected with another plane of existence and it changed my way of thinking about things.
Although I'm mostly past that phase in my life I would still very much like to try peyote, DMT, and ayahuasca.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:00 pm to BowlJackson
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Salvia
If the peak of a salvia trip lasted more than 30 seconds then it would be TOO MUCH to bear. Any first time user would probably just consciously decide to leave his body behind and enter the great beyond, the god knows whatever. We're talking major religio-science-fiction-the-buddha-ascends-to-heaven shite. Inter-planar travel (as you have alluded) at behest of a whim.
That stuff is naturally self-limiting for a natural reason! It's like 25 hits of acid crammed into an 8 second (as opposed to 8 hour) trip. That's more "inter-planar travel" capability than the program will allow most humans!
Until, perhaps, death itself?
GOD is good. GOD is genius. And life IS but its dream.
This post was edited on 8/15/15 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:18 pm to derSturm37
My first time with salvia was with some x10 and I just saw patterns and uncontrollably laughed my arse off to the point of not being able to stand.
The trip I'm refrencing was with 100x and the peak/ visual portion lasted a few minutes I think. I'm told I hit the bowl, took a step back, reached my hand out to hand the bowl off and stayed in that position for about 5 minutes (which they say is about the max the visual trip can last). I remember slowly "rolling" away from Earth and drifting further into what I can only describe as another dimension or plane of existence. I was slowly brought back to Earth by a friend calling out my name over and over.
The mental part of the trip which had me thinking incredibly deeply and vocalizing my thoughts lasted for over an hour at least. Once I came too from the visual trip I immediately started talking about how I was sure I just went to another dimension and met a higher life form.
I'm pretty sure what I saw and how I felt is similar to what happens at death and your consciousness returns to the universe. And similar to having a good or bad trip, you're frame of mind at death and attitude towards death will determine your experience, i.e. heaven vs hell.
The trip I'm refrencing was with 100x and the peak/ visual portion lasted a few minutes I think. I'm told I hit the bowl, took a step back, reached my hand out to hand the bowl off and stayed in that position for about 5 minutes (which they say is about the max the visual trip can last). I remember slowly "rolling" away from Earth and drifting further into what I can only describe as another dimension or plane of existence. I was slowly brought back to Earth by a friend calling out my name over and over.
The mental part of the trip which had me thinking incredibly deeply and vocalizing my thoughts lasted for over an hour at least. Once I came too from the visual trip I immediately started talking about how I was sure I just went to another dimension and met a higher life form.
I'm pretty sure what I saw and how I felt is similar to what happens at death and your consciousness returns to the universe. And similar to having a good or bad trip, you're frame of mind at death and attitude towards death will determine your experience, i.e. heaven vs hell.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:27 pm to BowlJackson
I like you, dude.
I never got anywhere close to 5 minutes out of salvia. Pretty sure I had only the 10x stuff. (I had like 10 vials of it and ended up giving the last 5 or 6 away. I felt like I'd gotten all the good I could get from it).
But I had a very similar experience when I was 19 or 20 on mushrooms. My girlfriend and another couple (only we 2 dudes were on shrooms; the girls were drinking) said I sat on the couch staring and silent (occasionally babbling "in tongues" for short periods) for over 30 minutes. I DEFINITELY remember the "fading away from earth" thing at the onset. I remember watching some little planets (at least one very similar to Saturn) orbiting me in the room as I came back "to reality". And I definitely felt like I had been to greater places and with greater beings while I'd been gone.
But even that trip wasn't the first time I'd felt I'd been in the presence of "GOD" while tripping. I had experienced that very thing at least 3 times on LSD before the night in question.
I never got anywhere close to 5 minutes out of salvia. Pretty sure I had only the 10x stuff. (I had like 10 vials of it and ended up giving the last 5 or 6 away. I felt like I'd gotten all the good I could get from it).
But I had a very similar experience when I was 19 or 20 on mushrooms. My girlfriend and another couple (only we 2 dudes were on shrooms; the girls were drinking) said I sat on the couch staring and silent (occasionally babbling "in tongues" for short periods) for over 30 minutes. I DEFINITELY remember the "fading away from earth" thing at the onset. I remember watching some little planets (at least one very similar to Saturn) orbiting me in the room as I came back "to reality". And I definitely felt like I had been to greater places and with greater beings while I'd been gone.
But even that trip wasn't the first time I'd felt I'd been in the presence of "GOD" while tripping. I had experienced that very thing at least 3 times on LSD before the night in question.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:30 pm to BowlJackson
The first science thread in weeks and it's this anthropomorphic shite? Dammit, Randy.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:34 pm to BowlJackson
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:36 pm to Kentucker
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The first science thread in weeks and it's this anthropomorphic shite?
If I read correctly all of the OP's questions were philosophic in nature. He didn't ask for anyone's barometric measurements nor recorded pH levels.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:49 pm to BowlJackson
Been interested in new experiments/theories on holographic universe and multiple dimensions. Serious physics experiments are ongoing to test these ideas. The advances in quantum physics and the new theories coming out are mind boggling.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:51 pm to derSturm37
Thank you, dave. I'm sorry for using the rank pejorative. Since Bowman and Poole left, I have no one with whom to discuss science topics.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 10:57 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Been interested in new experiments/theories on holographic universe and multiple dimensions. Serious physics experiments are ongoing to test these ideas.
Doesn't String Theory necessitate the investigation into multiple (more than 4) dimensions? And doesn't quantum gravity necessitate the use of holograms to do so?
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:01 pm to derSturm37
I think that's what some physicists are saying, yes.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:01 pm to derSturm37
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I like you, dude.
Yeah, I think we could get a long and have some good conversations.
Most of my salvia experience was before the concentrated herbal form was outlawed in Alabama. Back then you can go into any head shop and they sold x5, x10, x20, x50, and x100 in those little pouches like they sell spice in.
I've never any great visual experiences from shrooms, but they given me some crazy intense "body" highs. I always tell people who aren't experienced that LSD is a visual trip while shrooms are more a body trip.
Other than salvia my most intense visual trips have come from LSD (although admittedly I've never taken very large doses) and as lame as it sounds robo-tripping as a teenager. All were very positive experiences, but so far nothing close to as spiritual or opening as that one Salvia trip. That's not to say other substances weren't spiritual or enlightening, that's just to say how awesome that one trip was.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:10 pm to LSU1NSEC
The holographic universe idea is kind of flighty, IMO. All indications are that the universe we know is flat. There simply isn't enough area to store all the information of the universe on its surface.
Exploring the many dimensions, 11 at last count, of M-theory is a much more worthy effort. It's the only way we're ever going to see any indirect evidence that supports String Theory.
Yes, we're actually using some of the weird aspects of quantum mechanics without even fully understanding how they work. All electronics use quantum processes, for example.
Also, rudimentary machines that employ quantum nonlocality and quantum tunneling are in development, as are quantum computers. The successful teleportation of photons has been demonstrated as well.
It's a great time to be witnessing these applications of science. It's the speed of technological developments that dazzles me.
Exploring the many dimensions, 11 at last count, of M-theory is a much more worthy effort. It's the only way we're ever going to see any indirect evidence that supports String Theory.
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The advances in quantum physics and the new theories coming out are mind boggling.
Yes, we're actually using some of the weird aspects of quantum mechanics without even fully understanding how they work. All electronics use quantum processes, for example.
Also, rudimentary machines that employ quantum nonlocality and quantum tunneling are in development, as are quantum computers. The successful teleportation of photons has been demonstrated as well.
It's a great time to be witnessing these applications of science. It's the speed of technological developments that dazzles me.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:18 pm to BowlJackson
Goes to show how different individuals can be I guess, despite how similar we are. I have had THE MOST visual experiences on shrooms! I mean I've had some visual experiences on all of the above, but I've had my deepest, most intense, and most memorable experiences on the "silly cybin".
A lot of it (maybe most of it) has to do with your state of mind when you partake, of course. We both know that. Beyond this it's very curious as to from whence the differences arise.
A lot of it (maybe most of it) has to do with your state of mind when you partake, of course. We both know that. Beyond this it's very curious as to from whence the differences arise.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:20 pm to derSturm37
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I had experienced that very thing at least 3 times on LSD before the night in question
When you used the LSD were you able to make any connections or associations between bits of information that you could not achieve before? I ask this because I've heard some people say that they were able to understand many things under the effects of LSD that they could not previously.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:22 pm to Kentucker
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It's a great time to be witnessing these applications of science.
I'll tell y'all what the world needs. And it could make you a multi-millionaire by next Tuesday if you could figure out how to provide this need...
Present all this cutting edge discovery to the masses in a form and on a level that we could enjoy and appreciate and understand. I dabble in it a bit and it's always mind blowing. I mean there is truly some MIND BLOWING stuff being shown right now in the labs of the world. But the vernacular gets in the way. I'm not a scientist. Someone needs to come out with some cute cartoons (and such) and to strive to keep up with it all in real time.
Posted on 8/15/15 at 11:27 pm to Kentucker
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The holographic universe idea is kind of flighty, IMO. All indications are that the universe we know is flat. There simply isn't enough area to store all the information of the universe on its surface.
I've heard that also. But, like top theoretical scientists admit... Nobody understands quantum physics. LOL
I'm fascinated with the uncertainty principle and the ongoing experiments involved with it. Supposedly, even Einstein was blown away with the implications.
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