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re: The South, Re-examined
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:12 am to RTR America
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:12 am to RTR America
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In the south we can disagree with your stance on things, but that doesn't mean we are going to treat you any differently.
You have got to be fricking kidding me.
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Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:20 am to Stonehog
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:47 am to Bama Bird
Well, this thread is certainly a good example of 'southerners' being just as judgmental as anyone from outside of the south.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:52 am to Bama Bird
frick the North.
frick the South.
Tim Riggins voice
Texas forever.
frick the South.
Tim Riggins voice
Texas forever.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:53 am to CatFan81
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Well, this thread is certainly a good example of 'southerners' being just as judgmental as anyone from outside of the south.
It's like some people can't sense irony even when it's slamming them in the face.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 12:13 pm to Stonehog
Goddammit, we're Yankee bashing here! Take your "look in the mirror" schtick elsewhere! We ain't got no time for this frivolous "reality" bullshite you're perpetrating round these parts!
Posted on 6/16/13 at 2:56 pm to dawgfan24348
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They keep calling us racist and that we need to be more progressive
race this, race that, it sells
it's all they've got really--jabs about our "intolerance" because we are largely a republican area
Posted on 6/16/13 at 4:14 pm to Stonehog
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It's like some people can't sense irony even when it's slamming them in the face.
Yeah, this thread is hilarious
Posted on 6/16/13 at 4:19 pm to UMRealist
No But I agree with the guy
But I agree with the guyPosted on 6/16/13 at 4:21 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Yeah, this thread is hilarious
Indeed.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:26 am to Bama Bird
While I found the article (and Reeves' writing) amateurish, the topic at-issue is, in my opinion, very real.
The image of a benighted South, sadly, has persisted since H.L. Mencken, et al. in the 20's. Not only did Northerners come to see the South as inferior artistically, intellectually, culturally, morally, etc., but some southerners incorporated this into their own individual/community-identity.
The fact that this piece merited publication is disturbing. Is it truly that shocking to some folks that the South is (gasp!) not significantly more bigoted than the rest of the nation?
The image of a benighted South, sadly, has persisted since H.L. Mencken, et al. in the 20's. Not only did Northerners come to see the South as inferior artistically, intellectually, culturally, morally, etc., but some southerners incorporated this into their own individual/community-identity.
The fact that this piece merited publication is disturbing. Is it truly that shocking to some folks that the South is (gasp!) not significantly more bigoted than the rest of the nation?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:28 am to Bama Bird
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Essentially he's saying that the North should stop treating the South as if we're terrible people down here
That was my experience.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:32 am to Bama Bird
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To be fair, I think the sentiment that "Yankees look down upon Southerners" is as accurate as "Southerners are intolerant".
Not really ...
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:56 am to Bama Bird
State Hate Crimes Reported per 100,000
1. New Jersey 8.58
2. District of Columbia 7.09
3. Delaware 6.64
4. South Dakota 6.11
5. Michigan 5.74
6. Massachusetts 5.21
7. Oregon 4.95
8. Kansas 4.89
9. Maine 4.79
10. Connecticut 4.68
11. Tennessee 4.10
12. New Hampshire 3.87
13. Minnesota 3.81
14. Ohio 3.80
15. California 3.76
16. Washington 3.66
17. Nevada 3.62
18. South Carolina 3.42
19. Virginia 3.39
20. Rhode Island 3.33
21. Vermont 3.29
22. Arkansas 3.29
23. New York 3.25
24. Colorado 3.10
25. Arizona 2.87
26. Alaska 2.79
27. Louisiana 2.74
28. North Dakota 2.66
29. West Virginia 2.63
30. Montana 2.51
31. Indiana 1.99
32. Idaho 1.97
33. Maryland 1.77
34. Missouri 1.68
35. Kentucky 1.67
36. Wisconsin 1.63
37. Georgia 1.62
38. Illinois 1.49
39. Utah 1.48
40. Oklahoma 1.40
41. Nebraska 1.36
42. North Carolina 1.36
43. Wyoming 1.14
44. Iowa 1.11
45. Texas 1.01
46. Florida 0.84
47. New Mexico 0.76
48. Pennsylvania 0.55
49. Mississippi 0.53
50. Alabama 0.39
1. New Jersey 8.58
2. District of Columbia 7.09
3. Delaware 6.64
4. South Dakota 6.11
5. Michigan 5.74
6. Massachusetts 5.21
7. Oregon 4.95
8. Kansas 4.89
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17. Nevada 3.62
18. South Carolina 3.42
19. Virginia 3.39
20. Rhode Island 3.33
21. Vermont 3.29
22. Arkansas 3.29
23. New York 3.25
24. Colorado 3.10
25. Arizona 2.87
26. Alaska 2.79
27. Louisiana 2.74
28. North Dakota 2.66
29. West Virginia 2.63
30. Montana 2.51
31. Indiana 1.99
32. Idaho 1.97
33. Maryland 1.77
34. Missouri 1.68
35. Kentucky 1.67
36. Wisconsin 1.63
37. Georgia 1.62
38. Illinois 1.49
39. Utah 1.48
40. Oklahoma 1.40
41. Nebraska 1.36
42. North Carolina 1.36
43. Wyoming 1.14
44. Iowa 1.11
45. Texas 1.01
46. Florida 0.84
47. New Mexico 0.76
48. Pennsylvania 0.55
49. Mississippi 0.53
50. Alabama 0.39
Posted on 6/17/13 at 11:29 am to RTR America
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I wouldn't include people from Wyoming with those from the North East or the West coast.
Agreed. Wyoming is plain and simply, the west. They share nothing in common with yankees.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 11:31 am to bona fide
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49. Mississippi 0.53
50. Alabama 0.39
No one has the balls to report them
Posted on 6/17/13 at 11:31 am to bona fide
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bona fide
source link?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 11:53 am to Bama Bird
There's a book by a professor at Michigan called "The Myth of Southern Exceptionalism" that tackles this idea. Basically, Southerners need to stop acting as if the South is something special and unique, and everybody else needs to stop acting as if the South is something that's drastically different (or worse) than the rest of the country.
Yes, we have differences, but they're largely subtle and superficial. At least that's his argument. He really goes into the way they teach the Civil Rights Era in schools, how they focus so heavily on things like James Meredith and Rosa Parks while ignoring race riots in Detroit, lynchings in Times Square, etc.
Just a thought.
Yes, we have differences, but they're largely subtle and superficial. At least that's his argument. He really goes into the way they teach the Civil Rights Era in schools, how they focus so heavily on things like James Meredith and Rosa Parks while ignoring race riots in Detroit, lynchings in Times Square, etc.
Just a thought.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 11:57 am to TreyAnastasio
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No one has the balls to report them
Eh, yes and no.
I see your point, but then again interracial violent crime is very rare, especially in the South. If a white person is murdered, the chances that his murderer is white is WAY higher than the chances that his murderer is black, and vice versa. Murders are most commonly carried out by someone who knows the person they're murdering. Being killed by a stranger, while it happens, is really rare.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:53 pm to DCRebel
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He really goes into the way they teach the Civil Rights Era in schools, how they focus so heavily on things like James Meredith and Rosa Parks while ignoring race riots in Detroit, lynchings in Times Square, etc.
This is a good point. Northerners like to point the finger at race relations in the South as a way to avoid dealing with their own race problems. Everyone knows about Wallace standing in the schoolhouse door, but not nearly as many people know about the way that Boston reacted to school integration, for example.
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