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Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:24 am to Kentucker
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Granaries.
Helped to win the early versions of Sid's CIV getting all those free granaries.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:30 am to BoarEd
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Time was apparently something they didn't actually have.
Time is on factor and labor (especially if supplemented with large domesticated mammals) is the other.
The guy in Florida who build massive structures over great time could probably have been done in days or weeks with enough labor.
Breaking down complex construction into less complicated sub tasks just needs a very good project manager.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:37 am to Cheese Grits
Too many holes in the theory, man. There's a reason why people are still questioning it all these years later.
Every year there is some new documentary produced claiming to have finally figured it all out. Each time the same questions remain.
For the longest time these "Egyptologists" maintained that the structures were built with slave labor. Because, get this, the frickin Bible told them that the Egyptians held Israelies as slaves.
That narrative has been shattered as has every other narrative they've thrown out there. And each time they (academia) continues to maintain they can't possibly be wrong. Because science, duh.
Simple fact remains that those buildings are still there and we have never reproduced anything of their magnitude, nor could we.
The Greenwich observatory was laid out using the most sophisticated technology we have at our disposal (GPS) and was built to be aligned to the Cardinal directions for astronomical purposes. It's error is double that of the great pyramid. That's our best shot to date and it isn't nearly as good. And we used materials vastly easier to work with.
No matter what these people toss out it falls flat and they're too arrogant to see it.
Every year there is some new documentary produced claiming to have finally figured it all out. Each time the same questions remain.
For the longest time these "Egyptologists" maintained that the structures were built with slave labor. Because, get this, the frickin Bible told them that the Egyptians held Israelies as slaves.
That narrative has been shattered as has every other narrative they've thrown out there. And each time they (academia) continues to maintain they can't possibly be wrong. Because science, duh. Simple fact remains that those buildings are still there and we have never reproduced anything of their magnitude, nor could we.
The Greenwich observatory was laid out using the most sophisticated technology we have at our disposal (GPS) and was built to be aligned to the Cardinal directions for astronomical purposes. It's error is double that of the great pyramid. That's our best shot to date and it isn't nearly as good. And we used materials vastly easier to work with.
No matter what these people toss out it falls flat and they're too arrogant to see it.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 2:57 pm to BoarEd
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For the longest time these "Egyptologists" maintained that the structures were built with slave labor. Because, get this, the frickin Bible told them that the Egyptians held Israelies as slaves. That narrative has been shattered as has every other narrative they've thrown out there. And each time they (academia) continues to maintain they can't possibly be wrong. Because science, duh.
I posted that because I thought you were a "Flat Earther" and would appreciate it.
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No matter what these people toss out it falls flat and they're too arrogant to see it.
I am telling you it was the dinosaurs because they built Stonehenge according to Idle, and everybody knows Eric was brilliant.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 3:00 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 1/15/18 at 3:28 pm to BoarEd
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You think you could run even a 100' baseline more accurately aligned to true north? If so I'd like to see it because I don't think you can.
Something else to consider (when discounting those who say this was not complicated) is that the way that the larger stones on the middle and top of the pyramids were placed in their positions.
Many people think they used ramps and either human labor or horses. The problem with that is the size of the ramp, as determined by the degree of slope that humans or horses could pull the block. The ramp would start well over a mile away.
And if ramps were used to mimic the 4 sides of the pyramid the problem becomes how far beyond the block the ramp would have to be in order for there to be room enough for the humans or horses.
Whoever built them really knew their shite (and math).
Posted on 1/15/18 at 3:48 pm to BoarEd
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It is, in fact, a complicated feat.
I am not knocking what you said. It was a complicated feat. One grounded in a nearly unique set of circumstances, but amazing none the less. You were dead right, this was something to be in awe of. It is the high point of civilization that lasted ten thousand years.
For that matter the Incan and Aztec buildings are incredible. It is amazing what we, as a species, can do.
So the next time you see an ad for Keeping Up With The Kardasians... remember we built the Pyramids. And the Great Wall. And the Hoover Dam.
We don't suck as a species.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 4:01 pm to alphaandomega
Yes. This is another good point. The ramp theory seems like a easy fix for people who aren't experienced enough in engineering or costruction techniques to understand how complicated it would truly be. (Oh yeah, they just used ramps, duh) But the fact is, the ramp would have to be much larger than the building itself in order for the proposed methods to be feasible. I've seen estimates that the ramp would have to be three times as large as the pyramid itself and I do not doubt that figure.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 4:16 pm to KSGamecock
A,A and A.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 10:59 pm to BoarEd
So, aliens?
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:22 pm to Kentucker
No. As I said in the second post of this thread I think it was most likely built by the people from the antidilluvian culture that was wiped out during the younger dryas event. Call it Atlantis, Lemur or whatever... The Egyptians simply called them the Sea People's. And were apparently very advanced and powerful. They said, specifically, that "no one can stand before their war machines."
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:39 pm to BoarEd
There is scant mention of these so-called Sea People. But they had a confederation of Nations at their call and apparently spent a great deal of time cruising the Mediterranean and into the middle East destroying cities and even entire civilizations.
There's a write up of this mysterious culture here.
LINK
There's a write up of this mysterious culture here.
LINK
Posted on 1/16/18 at 9:33 pm to KSGamecock
Ok. Somebody explain to why a popular theory is that aliens helped build they Pyramids, Stonehenge, Central and South American ruins, etc? Aliens would have this superior technology to travel billions of light years to come to earth and build crude stone structures?
What would we do if we suddenly discovered propulsion to travel like that? Travel to a pre industrial alien civilization and build a suspension bridge?
What would we do if we suddenly discovered propulsion to travel like that? Travel to a pre industrial alien civilization and build a suspension bridge?
Posted on 1/16/18 at 9:47 pm to CleverUserName
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...why...aliens...would travel billions of light years to come to earth and build crude stone structures?
I know, right?
Posted on 1/16/18 at 9:51 pm to CleverUserName
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Ok. Somebody explain to why a popular theory is that aliens helped build they Pyramids, Stonehenge, Central and South American ruins, etc? Aliens would have this superior technology to travel billions of light years to come to earth and build crude stone structures?
1. I missed the part where someone said aliens did it.
2. You can't presume motive, or lack thereof, of any potential off worlders coming here. There could be 1,000,000 valid reasons, or 0. And they did it for the hell of it. Just to see a bunch of people work themselves to death.
But again, I missed the part where someone said aliens.
Strawman fallacy
Posted on 1/16/18 at 9:54 pm to BoarEd
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As I said in the second post of this thread I think it was most likely built by the people from the antidilluvian culture that was wiped out during the younger dryas event.
So, you actually think there were advanced civilizations living before "Noah's flood," and that they were wiped out? Has anyone ever considered the amount of extra water it would take to flood the earth to the top of Mt. Everest? Where did it come from and where did it go after killing everything that wasn't on the boat?
Posted on 1/16/18 at 10:07 pm to Kentucker
Who in the world said anything about a flood to the top of Mt. Everest? That's another strawman fallacy.
Again, as I said in the second post, I believe we had an antidilluvian culture that was all but eradicated during the younger dryas event that blasted North America around 12,000 years ago. Plato called it Atlantis. Others have called it other things.
There were, in fact, floods occuring at the same time all over Earth as the event changed Earth's entire climate overnight.
This is the source of the flood myth told by nearly every religion in the world. But the flood itself likely was not global in scale. Just the coastlines.
ETA: Hell, even the Bible doesn't say the flood was THAT bad. And it's exaggerated a lot.
Noah landed in Arrarat, right? Pretty sure Everest is a lot taller.
Again, as I said in the second post, I believe we had an antidilluvian culture that was all but eradicated during the younger dryas event that blasted North America around 12,000 years ago. Plato called it Atlantis. Others have called it other things.
There were, in fact, floods occuring at the same time all over Earth as the event changed Earth's entire climate overnight.
This is the source of the flood myth told by nearly every religion in the world. But the flood itself likely was not global in scale. Just the coastlines.
ETA: Hell, even the Bible doesn't say the flood was THAT bad. And it's exaggerated a lot.
Noah landed in Arrarat, right? Pretty sure Everest is a lot taller.
This post was edited on 1/16/18 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 1/16/18 at 10:53 pm to BoarEd
Well, antediluvian means of or belonging to the time before the biblical Flood. You seem to be randomly mixing science, pseudoscience, the paranormal, supernatural and religion as it suits you. That makes it difficult to follow your train of thought.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 10:57 pm to Kentucker
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The pyramids don't date back to the Younger Dryas period.
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The Younger Dryas is a climatic event from c. 12,900 to c. 11,700 years ago (BP). It is named after an indicator genus, the alpine-tundra wildflower Dryas octopetala, as its leaves are occasionally abundant in the Late Glacial, often minerogenic-rich, like the lake sediments of Scandinavian lakes.
Physical evidence of a sharp decline in temperature over most of the Northern Hemisphere, discovered by geological research, has been the key physical evidence found for the Younger Dryas. This temperature change occurred at the end of what the earth sciences refer to as the Pleistocene epoch and immediately before the current, warmer Holocene epoch. In the social sciences, this time frame coincides with the final stages of the Upper Paleolithic.
The pyramids don't date back to the Younger Dryas period.
This post was edited on 1/16/18 at 11:00 pm
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