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Posted on 1/16/18 at 11:11 pm to BoarEd
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Again, as I said in the second post, I believe we had an antidilluvian culture that was all but eradicated during the younger dryas event that blasted North America around 12,000 years ago.
So you actually think there were advanced civilizations of humans living on earth before the Younger Dryas event of some 12,000 years ago? And that the proof is the architecture of the Egyptians and other peoples who worked with stone?
Why would they have worked with stone when metals such as iron and copper were available? How do you explain the absence of the wheel in the Western Hemisphere until the European invasion of the Americas? How can anyone claim that these peoples were "advanced" when everything indicates that they employed primitive stone-working methods?
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 11:15 pm to BoarEd
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I think they very well may.
Yet you offer no explanation for why you think that. The pyramids, the first cities, even agriculture, are predated by the Younger Dryas. Hell, there's no solid evidence that humans were in the Americas before 13,000 years ago.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 11:33 pm to Kentucker
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So you actually think there were advanced civilizations of humans living on earth before the Younger Dryas event of some 12,000 years ago?
Yes.
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And that the proof is the architecture of the Egyptians and other peoples who worked with stone?
Yes. Among other things.
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Why would they have worked with stone when metals such as iron and copper were available?
I won't presume to know their motives.
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How do you explain the absence of the wheel in the Western Hemisphere until the European invasion of the Americas?
Pure horse shite.
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How can anyone claim that these peoples were "advanced" when everything indicates that they employed primitive stone-working methods?
More horse shite.
But this is way off the topic of the pyramids of Giza. If you want to talk about South American cultures I have an appropriate thread for that already running.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 11:40 pm to BoarEd
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If you want to talk about South American cultures I have an appropriate thread for that already running.
No, you don't. Your thread is about the Amazon basin.
It's incredible that you think the wheel was extant in the Americas before the Europeans came. You can't produce an iota of evidence, and "pure horseshite" isn't proof.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 11:43 pm to Kentucker
The idea of moving 140 ton blocks 12,000 feet above sea level WITHOUT a wheel is absurd.
Posted on 1/16/18 at 11:43 pm to Kentucker
Can you prove that the wheel didn't exist?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 12:16 am to KSGamecock
What he is employing there is an inductive fallacy. Essentially he is saying that an absence of evidence is evidence of absence. "There is no known evidence that these people utilized a wheel, therefore, they absolutely did not. Under any circumstances."
You run into these problems a lot when it comes to archaeology. They're trying to turn historical record into hard science. Which doesn't really work because it is always presumptuous and constantly needing refined.
If tomorrow they discovered that the people of South America were using the wheel after all they would act as if they knew it all along and still talk down to people who didn't agree with whatever they said.
You run into these problems a lot when it comes to archaeology. They're trying to turn historical record into hard science. Which doesn't really work because it is always presumptuous and constantly needing refined.
If tomorrow they discovered that the people of South America were using the wheel after all they would act as if they knew it all along and still talk down to people who didn't agree with whatever they said.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 12:19 am to KSGamecock
A simple google for "Why didn't mesoAmericans use the wheel" will give you the proof you're asking for. All of the resulting sources will tell you that the wheel was universally absent as a tool for use in every western hemisphere culture before the Europeans, who were astounded that it wasn't being used.
Most of the sources will say that, because none of the cultures had draft animals, they didn't have a use for the wheel. I disagree with that assessment. They had human slaves that they used as draft animals to construct gigantic stone buildings. It seems silly to think that they wouldn't have used the same slaves to much more efficiently pull wheeled loads of stone.
Most of the sources will say that, because none of the cultures had draft animals, they didn't have a use for the wheel. I disagree with that assessment. They had human slaves that they used as draft animals to construct gigantic stone buildings. It seems silly to think that they wouldn't have used the same slaves to much more efficiently pull wheeled loads of stone.
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Posted on 1/17/18 at 12:22 am to KSGamecock
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Who do you believe built them?
Volunteers
Posted on 1/17/18 at 12:22 am to BoarEd
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What he is employing there is an inductive fallacy. Essentially he is saying that an absence of evidence is evidence of absence. "There is no known evidence that these people utilized a wheel, therefore, they absolutely did not. Under any circumstances."
Now that is truly pure horseshite.
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You run into these problems a lot when it comes to archaeology. They're trying to turn historical record into hard science. Which doesn't really work because it is always presumptuous and constantly needing refined.
More horseshite.
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If tomorrow they discovered that the people of South America were using the wheel after all they would act as if they knew it all along and still talk down to people who didn't agree with whatever they said.
I don't even know what species this shite is from.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 12:24 am to Kentucker
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of the resulting sources will tell you that the wheel was universally absent as a tool for use in every western hemisphere culture before the Europeans
RACIST
Posted on 1/17/18 at 12:41 am to KSGamecock
Well, at any rate, I gave my opinions on your questions. I do not agree with the proposed dates of construction for those buildings. One thing I've always found curious is that the ancient egyptians kept meticulous records. Down to doctors prescriptions and whatnot being put into the historical record.
Yet there aren't any records of them building those buildings.
I think it's because they were there since around 10,500 BC. And I think there are numerous points of data that can be used to establish that as the true date of their construction
Yet there aren't any records of them building those buildings.
I think it's because they were there since around 10,500 BC. And I think there are numerous points of data that can be used to establish that as the true date of their construction
Posted on 1/17/18 at 12:51 am to BoarEd
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I think it's because they were there since around 10,500 BC. And I think there are numerous points of data that can be used to establish that as the true date of their construction
And yet, the oldest cities date to just 11,000 years ago. Damascus, Jericho and Allepo in Syria and Jordan have been inhabited continuously since they were settled. That's a lot of construction within just 500 years of humans becoming city dwellers in an agrarian society.
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Posted on 1/17/18 at 6:58 am to Kentucker
There is some evidence of an antediluvian culture such as the Piri Reis map which shows Antarctica without ice. And certain tracings on the Nasca Lines show features that can only seen through a microscope. The Viking myth of the number of the doors of Valhalla indicate a working knowledge of precession- an advanced astronomical concept.
Now I'm not trying to encourage BoarEd. But there is enough time in the past for either a highly localized culture to achieve technological advancement or for a species similar to modern homo sapiens to concurrently evolve. You have to consider the path of technological advancement. It is not linear. A person living in 1st century Rome was more advanced in many ways than a person living in Europe in 1750.
I believe that snippets of this culture have been passed down and in many way co-opted by later cultures. So it's not aliens or interactions with extra dimensional spirits, but perhaps some unknown culture that got lucky and developed over the course of a few centuries and acquired advanced knowledge before collapsing or being wiped out.
Now I'm not trying to encourage BoarEd. But there is enough time in the past for either a highly localized culture to achieve technological advancement or for a species similar to modern homo sapiens to concurrently evolve. You have to consider the path of technological advancement. It is not linear. A person living in 1st century Rome was more advanced in many ways than a person living in Europe in 1750.
I believe that snippets of this culture have been passed down and in many way co-opted by later cultures. So it's not aliens or interactions with extra dimensional spirits, but perhaps some unknown culture that got lucky and developed over the course of a few centuries and acquired advanced knowledge before collapsing or being wiped out.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 9:26 am to Paul B Ammer
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There is some evidence of an antediluvian culture such as the Piri Reis map which shows Antarctica without ice.
Antarctica has been a frozen continent under thick ice for 15 million years. Researchers from many nations, including the US have done ice borings to determine the ice sheet’s age and extent. To think that there was no ice there in 1513, the year the map was compiled, can only be described as fantastical.
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As far as the accuracy of depiction of the supposed Antarctic coast is concerned, there are two conspicuous errors. First, it is shown hundreds of kilometres north of its proper location; second, the Drake Passage is completely missing, with the Antarctic Peninsula presumably conflated with the Western Patagonian coast. The identification of this area of the map with the frigid Antarctic coast is also difficult to reconcile with the notes on the map which describe the region as having a warm climate. -Wiki
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perhaps some unknown culture that got lucky and developed over the course of a few centuries and acquired advanced knowledge before collapsing or being wiped out.
Still, the best evidence of technology in ancient civilizations is that used for working stone. The absence of metal in their tools and constructions firmly places them in a primitive category of technological development.
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Posted on 1/17/18 at 9:46 am to Kentucker
This is why I doubt aliens or fallen angels built the Pyramids. No steel just copper was ever found inside.
Still the architecture of the Grand Passage is mind boggling and know working theory explains it. It think some unknown civilization built the Pyramids and the Egyptians later did repair work and added the cladding stones and took credit for the whole thing.
Still the architecture of the Grand Passage is mind boggling and know working theory explains it. It think some unknown civilization built the Pyramids and the Egyptians later did repair work and added the cladding stones and took credit for the whole thing.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 10:07 am to Kentucker
Yes, I would not use the Piri Re'is map as evidence of an antidilluvian culture. Although I find the entire account fascinating, it seems, in the end, that his map is not depicting Antarctica at all and is instead showing the coastline of Argentina, rotated 90° to fit on the camelskin he drew it on.
He only had one source map for his Western Hemisphere drawings. That being Christopher Columbus. He says as much in his writings about the map. The rest of the thing he put together using a variety of sources.
ETA: But to the rest of Paul's post, I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. I do believe there is a predessesor culture out there that has gone missing for the most part from our historical record.
The South Americans called them the Cloud People. The Egyptians called them the Sea People. Plato called their home Atlantis.
He only had one source map for his Western Hemisphere drawings. That being Christopher Columbus. He says as much in his writings about the map. The rest of the thing he put together using a variety of sources.
ETA: But to the rest of Paul's post, I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. I do believe there is a predessesor culture out there that has gone missing for the most part from our historical record.
The South Americans called them the Cloud People. The Egyptians called them the Sea People. Plato called their home Atlantis.
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/17/18 at 10:40 am to BoarEd
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The idea of moving 140 ton blocks 12,000 feet above sea level WITHOUT a wheel is absurd.
Dirt ramps built during construction that are removed when building is finished.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:04 am to Cheese Grits
Why build such things in the thin air 12,000 above seal level.
Unless when they were built the location was not 12,000 above sea level...
Unless when they were built the location was not 12,000 above sea level...
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