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re: The main reason I love Trump more today than a few weeks ago
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:02 am to cas4t
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:02 am to cas4t
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rightfully so
Eh, I don't have sympathy for people that wanted to protest after the election. Everyone knew the rules before the electron. If you are someone who openly opposed the way the process works before the election then I get that but can't really get behind people that just now want to complain about it. This applies to both sides for me.
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Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:18 am to rockiee
People have complained about the electoral college for years. Particularly since Al Gore lost in a similar fashion.
As to justgetitright's point, I completely disagree. The vote is the vote and deep blue counties are generally within cities, coastal cities in particular, where the population is condensed. And frankly, the best and brightest tend to migrate to cities. They are the engine of the country. I'm not discounting rural areas production, as I'm from a rural area myself and am proud of my roots. Their opinion matters as much as anyone's, but rules shouldn't be envoked on their behalf. That's not democracy. in a true democracy, you don't add asterisks. The people are the power- period. We don't live in that world unfortunately, and it isn't solely because of the electoral college. But that would be a great starting point.
As to justgetitright's point, I completely disagree. The vote is the vote and deep blue counties are generally within cities, coastal cities in particular, where the population is condensed. And frankly, the best and brightest tend to migrate to cities. They are the engine of the country. I'm not discounting rural areas production, as I'm from a rural area myself and am proud of my roots. Their opinion matters as much as anyone's, but rules shouldn't be envoked on their behalf. That's not democracy. in a true democracy, you don't add asterisks. The people are the power- period. We don't live in that world unfortunately, and it isn't solely because of the electoral college. But that would be a great starting point.
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 11:21 am
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:23 am to cas4t
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People have complained about the electoral college for years. Particularly since Al Gore lost in a similar fashion.
Sure and I don't have an issue with that but I feel the majority wouldn't be complaining right now if the reverse happened. Just pointing out that I can't stand the hypocrites on this issue.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:33 am to rockiee
Even Trump complained about the electoral college. How funny is that....he said It's a disgrace to true democracy and is a fraud.
This of course was before the electoral college voted him into office. Lol
This of course was before the electoral college voted him into office. Lol
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:39 am to cas4t
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Cheating is the wrong word. It's a flawed system, and everyone knows it. Including Don.
I just disagree that it is fundamentally flawed. I think it is very appropriate for a nation made up of 50 sovereign states. I would, however, make one adjustment. Instead of awarding states as one big group, I'd award the votes as seats are allocated in congress. Overall state winner gets two for the senate seats and then the rest are awarded to the winner of each individual house district. In Alabama, that would have meant that HRC got 1 electoral vote because she carried the 7th congressional district. It would also mean that Trump got some from California. It probably wouldn't change the overall outcome, but would make the process more representative.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:40 am to karralum
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It's a disgrace to true democracy
Here's a civics 101 lesson. The United States is not a true democracy. We've been a representative democracy from day 1.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:43 am to rockiee
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I feel the majority wouldn't be complaining right now if the reverse happened.
I agree. To use the language of tRant, the right just doesn't melt as good as the left.
There would still have been plenty of melting happening right after the election, but life would have quickly moved forward.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:43 am to JustGetItRight
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Here's a civics 101 lesson. The United States is not a true democracy. We've been a representative democracy from day 1.
That's not even Civics 101, that's taught in 3rd grade social studies.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:46 am to rockiee
I think they undoubtedly would complain. Trump was adamantly against the electoral college and if he lost in this fashion he'd be tweeting about it daily and his followers would latch onto it.
The republicans have never won the popular vote yet lost the electoral. So I don't know how you could take that stance. Especially given, again, how vocally anti electoral college Trump has been.
What's funny is Obama didn't even lose the popular vote in 2012.
The republicans have never won the popular vote yet lost the electoral. So I don't know how you could take that stance. Especially given, again, how vocally anti electoral college Trump has been.
What's funny is Obama didn't even lose the popular vote in 2012.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:48 am to cas4t
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in a true democracy
See my response to the other guy. We have never been a true democracy.
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And frankly, the best and brightest tend to migrate to cities.
I'm sorry, but this simply comes across as very condescending. Compare that electoral map with where your military enlistments come from, where your food is grown, and (the ones that are still open) where your factories and manufacturing happen. Academics, arts, business migrate to cities and often those careers are more lucrative but that in no way makes them either the engine of the country or the best and brightest. They're the best and brightest in what they do, nothing more and nothing less.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:49 am to cas4t
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I think they undoubtedly would complain. Trump was adamantly against the electoral college and if he lost in this fashion he'd be tweeting about it daily and his followers would latch onto it.
You misunderstood me, I'm talking about the people right now that are protesting. I'm saying in a world in which Hilary won the electoral but lost the popular. Those people wouldn't be protesting about the electoral college. I don't disagree that it would be happening on the other side in this situation though.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:50 am to JustGetItRight
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Here's a civics 101 lesson. The United States is not a true democracy. We've been a representative democracy from day 1.
Well, why did Trump say its a disgrace to true democracy?
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:52 am to JustGetItRight
Great post
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:52 am to cas4t
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What's funny is Obama didn't even lose the popular vote in 2012
Mitt fricking Romney.
As to the complaining, I'm talking about the rank and file conservative voter. We'd move on with life (note the distinct lack of conservative riots over various court decisions and elections over the years).
Trump on the other hand would be complaining like nobody's business. There's ZERO doubt about that in my mind but in our heart of hearts we all know Trump really isn't a true conservative Republican.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:53 am to rockiee
They are protesting because they feel, more people voted for Hillary than Trump. I even saw a Facebook post asking who are the people in the electoral college, what are their names.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 11:54 am to karralum
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Well, why did Trump say its a disgrace to true democracy?
Ask him. You may have missed it, but he seems to have a habit of making poorly considered statements.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:40 pm to JustGetItRight
I understand we've never been in a true democracy. That's sort of the point.
Manufacturing and factories are not more prevalent in rural areas. I wasn't being condescending, and admitted to being from a rural area. My entire family lives in rural Tennessee or rural Louisiana. In my opinion you learn best through exposure and experience, and you just don't get as much of that in rural America. Again, I know this first hand. My graduating class in high school was 90 kids.
We can just agree to disagree on the best and brightest comment because it's obviously just going to be us arguing opinions.
Manufacturing and factories are not more prevalent in rural areas. I wasn't being condescending, and admitted to being from a rural area. My entire family lives in rural Tennessee or rural Louisiana. In my opinion you learn best through exposure and experience, and you just don't get as much of that in rural America. Again, I know this first hand. My graduating class in high school was 90 kids.
We can just agree to disagree on the best and brightest comment because it's obviously just going to be us arguing opinions.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:45 pm to Vols&Shaft83
No shite, V&S. I guess since it's the way it's always been done, it's best? Be honest, if the votes were reversed, what would be your stance? Also, how do you feel about the 2 party system and how the electoral college affects that? I don't mean to bicker, but both of you seem to think that because this is how it's always been, it makes it fair and right. My argument is the exact opposite. I believe the elimination of the electoral college would assist in the addition of a 3 or 4 or 5 or whatever party system. I also think that would remove much of the big money in politics. I'm open to other ideas, but I think if anything was proven this election, particularly the party nominations, it's that the system is inherently flawed. I honestly don't know how anyone could disagree, but again, I'm wide open.
Just please don't respond with "don't care, Trump won snowflake, get over it."
Just please don't respond with "don't care, Trump won snowflake, get over it."
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:46 pm to Old Sarge
Sarge, see above. I'm curious as to your thoughts. You're apparently a big wig executive, so curious what you think.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 1:52 pm to JustGetItRight
Probably because he understands the fairest form of government is a true democracy. And the electoral college doesn't provide that. Just using context clues here.
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