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Some Truths about SLAVERY
Posted on 7/21/15 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 7/21/15 at 6:01 pm
Do whites deserve all of this blame and guilt for slavery? Are reparations necessary, or a slap in the face to those who aren't idiots of history...lets dive in and look at some facts...
Crash Course on Atlantic Slavery.
The Truth About Slavery
From first video.
From 1500 to 1880 CE 10-12 million African slaves were forcibly moved to Americas. 15% died during the voyage.
Destination of Atlantic slave trade
41% to Caribbean
41% to Brazil
5% go USA.
Despite white guilt, Africans were NOT captured by whites and brought over to be enslaved by whites. They were captured by Africans, traded for by Europeans, then brought over to the Western Hemisphere.
Average life expectancy on a Brazilian sugar plantation was 23 years.
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From Second Video
Some quick hitters but much better to watch the full video...
-Slavery is a world wide phenomenon by all races.
-Slave comes from the word Slav, the white Europeans who were often enslaved through out time.
-Certain passages in the Old testament condone slavery and the new testament does not discourage it.
-Before African slaves were brought to the Americas, Africans were owned by both other Africans and Arabs.
- In the Americas blacks even owned other blacks. For example in Charleston there were 407 black Americans who owned slaves.
-28% of freed blacks owned slaves.
-Death toll of the Muslim Slave trade estimates at around 112 million.
- White Europeans were also abducted and turned into slaves by North African pirates.
-Muslims enslaved over 150 millions of Africans. Many of whom became eunuchs, or lived such a rough life that they did not often reproduce. Which is why their ancestors are no longer there.
-Emperor Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire authorized Europes involvement in slave trade in 1519.
- Nice chart of where Atlantic slaves went at 14:30 mark.
- Britain deserves most of the credit for ending slavery. In 1810 passing a law to make slave trading a felony.
- Around 20min mark discusses US laws and slavery. Makes a case that while the wealthy owned the slaves the middle class footed the bill through taxes to patrol and control them.
- Irish slave trade: 1625 30,000 political prisoners sold as slaves to Brits in the West Indies. Whites made up of most of the early slave trade here. From 1641-1652 to 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and 300,000 sold as slaves. Irelands population fell from 1.6 million to 600,000 in a decade. Negro slaves were worth more than Irish, and thus treated better.
- Around 36 min mark makes a case that slavery isnt a race debate but a state power debate.
Slavery in the USA
A really good video that focuses more on slavery within the USA. While the above puts the concept of slavery in a much broader macro view. This micro view is still very important to realize that although the USA's role has been blown up too much by revisions of history, it was still a very, very bad thing.
Crash Course on Atlantic Slavery.
The Truth About Slavery
From first video.
From 1500 to 1880 CE 10-12 million African slaves were forcibly moved to Americas. 15% died during the voyage.
Destination of Atlantic slave trade
41% to Caribbean
41% to Brazil
5% go USA.
Despite white guilt, Africans were NOT captured by whites and brought over to be enslaved by whites. They were captured by Africans, traded for by Europeans, then brought over to the Western Hemisphere.
Average life expectancy on a Brazilian sugar plantation was 23 years.
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From Second Video
Some quick hitters but much better to watch the full video...
-Slavery is a world wide phenomenon by all races.
-Slave comes from the word Slav, the white Europeans who were often enslaved through out time.
-Certain passages in the Old testament condone slavery and the new testament does not discourage it.
-Before African slaves were brought to the Americas, Africans were owned by both other Africans and Arabs.
- In the Americas blacks even owned other blacks. For example in Charleston there were 407 black Americans who owned slaves.
-28% of freed blacks owned slaves.
-Death toll of the Muslim Slave trade estimates at around 112 million.
- White Europeans were also abducted and turned into slaves by North African pirates.
-Muslims enslaved over 150 millions of Africans. Many of whom became eunuchs, or lived such a rough life that they did not often reproduce. Which is why their ancestors are no longer there.
-Emperor Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire authorized Europes involvement in slave trade in 1519.
- Nice chart of where Atlantic slaves went at 14:30 mark.
- Britain deserves most of the credit for ending slavery. In 1810 passing a law to make slave trading a felony.
- Around 20min mark discusses US laws and slavery. Makes a case that while the wealthy owned the slaves the middle class footed the bill through taxes to patrol and control them.
- Irish slave trade: 1625 30,000 political prisoners sold as slaves to Brits in the West Indies. Whites made up of most of the early slave trade here. From 1641-1652 to 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and 300,000 sold as slaves. Irelands population fell from 1.6 million to 600,000 in a decade. Negro slaves were worth more than Irish, and thus treated better.
- Around 36 min mark makes a case that slavery isnt a race debate but a state power debate.
Slavery in the USA
A really good video that focuses more on slavery within the USA. While the above puts the concept of slavery in a much broader macro view. This micro view is still very important to realize that although the USA's role has been blown up too much by revisions of history, it was still a very, very bad thing.
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 6:10 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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- Irish slave trade: 1625 30,000 political prisoners sold as slaves to Brits in the West Indies. Whites made up of most of the early slave trade here. From 1641-1652 to 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and 300,000 sold as slaves. Irelands population fell from 1.6 million to 600,000 in a decade. Negro slaves were worth more than Irish, and thus treated better.
frick the English
Posted on 7/21/15 at 6:25 pm to Patton
lazy Irishmen couldn't earn their keep
Posted on 7/21/15 at 7:03 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Irish slave trade: 1625 30,000 political prisoners sold as slaves to Brits in the West Indies. Whites made up of most of the early slave trade here. From 1641-1652 to 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and 300,000 sold as slaves. Irelands population fell from 1.6 million to 600,000 in a decade. Negro slaves were worth more than Irish, and thus treated better.
I'm 1/3 Irish. Where's my entitlements? I DEMAND SOCIAL JUSTICE FOR MY PEOPLE!
:realizesI'm1/3English:
Well frick. I'll just claim my Italian 1/3.
Don't forget the Jews being enslaved to Egyptians. Most every ethnic group has been in slavery at some point in history. Humans deserve the blame...we shouldn't feel guilty though because we had nothing to do with it. We should feel proud that, as a civilized society, we reject slavery and our closest ancestors abolished it.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 7:17 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
That doesn't push white guilt so I don't believe it. 
Posted on 7/21/15 at 7:25 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Do whites deserve all of this blame and guilt for slavery?
I don't feel the teeniest, tiniest, slightest bit of "guilt" for something that happened 150 years ago when neither I nor anybody that I know nor anybody that I know has ever known has been alive.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 7:55 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
black lives matter
Posted on 7/21/15 at 7:57 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Knowing my family history I feel no guilt. My ancestors were right alongside the slaves working.
Also I've never owned a slave so people can take that issue elsewhere
Also I've never owned a slave so people can take that issue elsewhere
Posted on 7/21/15 at 7:57 pm to Phat Phil
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black lives matter
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 7/21/15 at 7:59 pm to Phat Phil
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black lives matter
Ya know that saying "God helps those who help themselves"?
Maybe people would be more sympathetic to the black plight if their community wasn't so absolutely ravaged by their own.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:08 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Do whites deserve all of this blame and guilt for slavery?
Of course not, but that doesn't prevent the people from claiming differently for whatever handouts are available.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:24 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:29 pm to Phat Phil
What in the actual frick?
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:48 pm to Phat Phil
That poor kid don't have a chance. No way he'll last....
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:51 pm to WG_Dawg
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Ya know that saying "God helps those who help themselves"?
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:25 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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BlackPawnMartyr
What the actual frick. I don't even know what to say except welcome to the land of the truly enlightened. Enjoy your stay.
Also, on the subject of the Irish:
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:28 pm to cokebottleag
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Micks
RA'd how dare you post such a derogatory term used to disenfranchise and suppress my ancestors. You should be ashamed of your self. Check your privilege.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:36 pm to WG_Dawg
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Ya know that saying "God helps those who help themselves"?
the bible also says Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven, Blessed are those who mourn: for they will be comforted. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness: for they will be filled. Woe onto you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort. Woe onto you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry. Woe onto you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep.
So if you want to quote the bible, I'm willing to concede black people as a whole need to get off their arse and get their shite together if you're willing to admit all white people are going to hell?
The bible also says it will be easier for a camel to thread the eye of a needle than it would be for a rich man to get into heaven, do you believe all rich people are going to hell? Do you believe all slaveholders are going to hell?
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Maybe people would be more sympathetic to the black plight if their community wasn't so absolutely ravaged by their own.
The avg white person, at least the avg white person on this forum lol, doesn't understand the issue of slavery as it exists today.
For all intents and purposes I don't have a problem with people owning slaves when they did. It's what everyone did at the time, it sucks, but I, nor do most people look at white people as evil because of something that happened 150-550 years ago.
The problem is more with this reconstitutionist chic esqe attitude that "oh if only black people got it together" they ravage their own.
For all intents and purposes, the african american soceity as we know it today has been around for all of 150 years. That's what...5 generations. When put in context, I'm willing to bet that african Americans have made more progress as a race / thirteenth than your ancestors did in their first 150 years of settlement. Charlemagne was the first king of what we consider today to be germananic people in the mid 700's and it took another 700 years for someone else in germany to figure out how to mass produce books. It took someone else around another 100 years give or take for them to get the nerve to post a note on a church which marked the modernizing of the current day church and 90% of the people couldn't fricking read it lol.
In 150 years afrian americans have ween from literally 2nd class citizens to having a man be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.
White privilege has become gotcha politics. It's not getting the better seat at a restaurant or getting the girl at the bar, it's not even the ability to not be harassed by the police. White privilege is the massive head start that european americans in this country and in general have been given over other races, namely african americans and native americans.
My mother, 51 years old, is the first person in my entire families entire fricking history, from the time someone in Africa decided to do whatever they were doing, until the time my great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandmother was brought over here as a slave, until now that anyone in the family has ever received any form of higher education. My mother is the first person in my family to basically escape the "ghetto" and my grandmother had to work 3 jobs her entire life to make that happen. I don't have uncles that went to college, i don't have cousins that went to college I don't have great aunts whose dads left them with a business, I don't have a great uncle who was a college professor somewhere, my mother got a masters degree in communications, her mom worked at a boiling alley, a gas station and as a maid for a rich elderly white woman her entire life, becuase that's the only job a 25 year old black woman could get in the south in 1960. Her mother was beaten to the point of near death and gangraped by a bunch of redneck racists when she was tryin gto walk home from work one day right after she had my grandmother and was never able to work again a day in her life as she was left mute / deaf. Her mother was a sharecropper, and her mother was a slave.
And as strict as my grandmother was on my mom and my aunt growing up, they both were bright and smart but only one of them could go to college becuase she could only afford to help one, and my mom was a year older. My aunt is a hair dresser, a damn good one, but if she were born in a different family of a different color she'd be a marketing director somewhere or something. Even then, she made sure her daughters would grow up and do something and both are in the Army.
5 fricking generations and you act like black people are lazy, stupid, unintelligent, belligerent, greedy and helpless. It's sickening. That's white privilege. The fact that you don't even understand the advantages that you have been given in life.
5 generations. The first generation you're literally just free, you can't get a job no where you have nothing, no saving, and you can't read. The 2nd generation you are literally a second class citizen, you're not allowed to vote, your "schools" consist of one bedroom shacks taught by people who basically feel shitty for you and give you a half arse education, and that's if you feel safe walking to school or not helping out trying to just help the family survive, and even if you do get that education back in the what, 1910's-20's where the frick are you going to go to college at? If you go to college where are you going to get a decent job at? Then they have kids in the 30's-40's who are relegated to outstanding jobs such as dishwashing, the only half decent job a person could get in the 40's if you were black was either a military job where you were probably going to be the first motherfricker off the ship to get shot at lol, or at some manufacturing plant helping make shite for the war where you even still relegated to the worst jobs they had and paid less.
They have kids who are born in the 50's and 60's, the first African Americans who truly have a chance at making some shite out of their lives, and you sit here puffing your fricking chest out because every fricking african american family just becuase now we have civil rights, is not making bank, is not running shite and is not as educated as your white breathen. You STILL have to pay for school. No one on my father's side of my family is stupid but no one could pay for school. How the frick you go pay for college education on a dishwasher's / house cleaner's salary? My dad's family tried to do the same thing that my gradmom did and send my oldest uncle to college but he died of sickle cell before he could get the chance to go.
Even in 5 generations, African americans as a whole have made outstanding progress all things considered. People in this thread will bitch about 'handouts' when people in your fricking family have been handing you shite your entire life.
I'll never and never have taken a dime of government money for anything I'm too smart and work too hard. But frick all this if only black people worked harder, why can't be just like white people noise. Where the frick was YOUR family 5 generations into your families existence?
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:44 pm to vengeanceofrain
All of that is well and good but my privileged white arse is one generation from a sharecropper. My grandfather was a sharecropper with a 3rd grade education and when he lost the little place he had to farm for shares in the depression he worked three jobs until he could afford to buy a run down gas station all while raising 3 kids and feeding them and my grandma. So forgive me if I don't agree with you.
This post was edited on 7/21/15 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:48 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Slavs are white?
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