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re: So the guy at the press conference saying 9/11 was an inside job
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If you truly believe this, and I mean truly deep down genuinely believe it, how could you continue living in America? How could you possibly live in a country in which you believe the government is capable of either orchestrating the attacks or allowing them to happen?
I'd be on the first flight to Europe and never look back, cost be damned.
I'm not a 9/11 truther, but if America planned the 9/11 attacks, I'd stay put because I don't think European governments are any better
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:15 pm to MrTide33
Then go somewhere you feel comfortable.
I just cant fathom living in a country where I believed the government willingly allowed 3,000 of it's own people to die if I had any means whatsoever to get out.
I just cant fathom living in a country where I believed the government willingly allowed 3,000 of it's own people to die if I had any means whatsoever to get out.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:18 pm to MrTide33
The best theory yet is that is was more "allowed" to happen as opposed to planned. Which I don't believe either of course but it's much more plausible.
Also, the NSA doesn't care about any of you tards unless you speak Chinese or persian farsei
Also, the NSA doesn't care about any of you tards unless you speak Chinese or persian farsei
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:24 pm to Hardy_Har
I agree that letting it happen is more plausible, but still HIGHLY unlikely. The problem is that for years those people screamed about it being some sort of inside job and, after realizing nobody ever listened to them, softened their approach somewhat to try and gain credibility.
The "letting it happen" angle was born out of the inside job conspiracists' desire to be heard and not any "new" information.
The "letting it happen" angle was born out of the inside job conspiracists' desire to be heard and not any "new" information.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If you truly believe this, and I mean truly deep down genuinely believe it, how could you continue living in America? How could you possibly live in a country in which you believe the government is capable of either orchestrating the attacks or allowing them to happen?
I have a problem with wasting time on personal questions like these, if you have a question about the topic go for it, I'll try to answer.
I will say the fact that you asked this question the way you did shows a lack of understanding. The American government isn't really who I'd blame.
If I thought there were a few A&M football players conspiring with LSU before a game, sharing plays ect, in an attempt to alter the outcome I wouldn't turn in my fan card, I'd be mad at those players not Texas A&M.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The "letting it happen" angle was born out of the inside job conspiracists' desire to be heard and not any "new" information.
Apparently you missed the recent news on Saudi Arabia.
(For the non you-tube documentary crowd, the Saudi connection has always been very relevant).
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:27 pm to Sleeping Tiger
There is no chance that a few select individuals could pull something like that off.
Don't pussyfoot around it. Either this was a very large government conspiracy that involved keeping, at a minimum, hundreds of people quiet after the fact or it couldn't have possibly happened.
In order for what you believe to be true to have actually gone down, the government is on some level corrupt as a unit. This isn't something Bush pulled off with some calls to a few buddies from Crawford.
Don't pussyfoot around it. Either this was a very large government conspiracy that involved keeping, at a minimum, hundreds of people quiet after the fact or it couldn't have possibly happened.
In order for what you believe to be true to have actually gone down, the government is on some level corrupt as a unit. This isn't something Bush pulled off with some calls to a few buddies from Crawford.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:32 pm to Roger Klarvin
Well, it was a pre-made theory for the oddball believers. The only scary thing about government conspiracy is the believers of government conspiracy. . This country plans and preps at such a dynamic level I can understand how some people lacking ability or knowledge to understand this can see or read one small excerpt and create wild doubt, but we're legit.. I promise you that. Too bad you're one of the few on here that completely get it..
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
Compartmentalization is a powerful thing.
I really don't care what you think, I can't change how you feel about the plausibility of a small group keeping something under wraps, I can only offer to answer questions that deal with event.
I really don't care what you think, I can't change how you feel about the plausibility of a small group keeping something under wraps, I can only offer to answer questions that deal with event.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:43 pm to Sleeping Tiger
I'm asking a question. I'm asking how a small group of elected officials could orchestrate this, keep it under raps and then have not so much as one single person going on CNN and spilling the beans for 12+ years?
It would be, by far, the greatest cover up in human history given the technological age we live in. If Nixon couldn't keep something as simple as Watergate under wraps before the dawn of the internet, video phones, etc. then how in HELL can you expect me to believe a coverup of this magnitude could go untold?
It would be, by far, the greatest cover up in human history given the technological age we live in. If Nixon couldn't keep something as simple as Watergate under wraps before the dawn of the internet, video phones, etc. then how in HELL can you expect me to believe a coverup of this magnitude could go untold?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I'm asking a question. I'm asking how a small group of elected officials could orchestrate this, keep it under raps and then have not so much as one single person going on CNN and spilling the beans for 12+ years?
In a sense, you're really not asking a specific question about the event. You're wanting me to pretty much explain how the whole thing could have happened.
As far as whistleblowrs, there are some out there. LINK Unfortunately if it doesn't air on the tv set, it's almost irrelevant. That's how our reality works, and this stuff isn't going to be put on tv. Worth noting, a number of people that have tried to blow the whistle are now dead.
And you have to consider the amount of financial corruption that got erased because of 911. Trillions of dollars of spending that could not be unaccounted for, financial fraud, all kinds of insider trading corruption was erased on 911. The area that was destroyed at the Pentagon and WTC 7 is where this data was kept and backed up. Both locations destroyed at the same time. I think that lends a little bit of an idea as to why some people would stay quiet, if they benefited from the disappearance of that data of course they're staying quiet.
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It would be, by far, the greatest cover up in human history given the technological age we live in
That's hard to say. If something has been a successful cover up, we don't know about it. So there is no way to gage what's the biggest cover in history.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:08 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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As far as whistleblowrs, there are some out there. LINK Unfortunately if it doesn't air on the tv set, it's almost irrelevant. That's how our reality works, and this stuff isn't going to be put on tv. Worth noting, a number of people that have tried to blow the whistle are now dead.
I've seen enough 9/11 whistle blowers proven to be con-artists and liars over the years to ever take anyone seriously. Until someone comes out with actual video evidence or paper trails and specific names and dates, I really don't care.
As for the dead thing, that's pretty much how every conspiracy theory lacking evidence goes. "We WOULD have 100% full proof evidence if the government wasn't killing people". It's like saying you saw bigfoot but your camera and phone were both broken.
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That's hard to say. If something has been a successful cover up, we don't know about it. So there is no way to gage what's the biggest cover in history.
Sure there is. For instance, there are things that have been covered up by the Korean and Chinese governments that we know about but their own citizens do not.
That of course could not happen in America, thus my point. A coverup of this magnitude in a country without information restriction would be unparalleled.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:10 pm to Roger Klarvin
I think it's clear what's going on here. 
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:11 pm to Sleeping Tiger
what a fricking idiot you are.. There are literally thousands of yellow wire analysts that go to work every day in order to create and disseminate intelligence that are normal people, just like us. The same can be said about the financial district, along with the Alphabet agencies all this information feeds into. To even speculate that a government as unorganized but progressive as ours could pull that off, and in turn then go to war to support a hoopleheaded 30 year contingency plan in Afghanistan is laughable. It's like you're playing the opposite game.Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:12 pm to Hardy_Har
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what a fricking idiot you are.. There are literally thousands of yellow wire analysts that go to work every day in order to create and disseminate intelligence that are normal people, just like us. The same can be said about the financial district, along with the Alphabet agencies all this information feeds into. To even speculate that a government as unorganized but progressive as ours could pull that off, and in turn then go to war to support a hoopleheaded 30 year contingency plan in Afghanistan is laughable. It's like you're playing the opposite game.
I honestly have no idea what you just said.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:15 pm to Sleeping Tiger
All I'm saying is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Conspiracy theorists expect us to buy into their WILD theories based on "evidence" that wouldn't even be sufficient to get a trial to a jury, let alone convict.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:15 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Of course you don't.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:19 pm to Hardy_Har
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There are literally thousands of yellow wire analysts that go to work every day in order to create and disseminate intelligence that are normal people, just like us. The same can be said about the financial district, along with the Alphabet agencies all this information feeds into. To even speculate that a government as unorganized but progressive as ours could pull that off, and in turn then go to war to support a hoopleheaded 30 year contingency plan in Afghanistan is laughable.
This is what they always ignore. They ignore the THOUSANDS of people who would be likely to just accidently stumble across damning information beforehand and in the years that followed. It's just not conceivable that that could be kept under wraps.
And I maintain that it wasn't until later this new theory came about. The conspiracy theorists were literally saying the government brought the buildings down for a long time.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
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All I'm saying is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Conspiracy theorists expect us to buy into their WILD theories based on "evidence" that wouldn't even be sufficient to get a trial to a jury, let alone convict.
I don't like to deal much with 'theory', which is why I asked for more specific questions.
Clearly there has to be a theory involved when trying to explain how a small or large group pulled off a grand scheme. I don't know, I really don't. An answer for this requires a theory, we can talk about compartmentalization and certain things like that but ultimately a theory is needed.
For me, I prefer to try to build the house and then look at it. You're basically wanting to know what the house looks like without first building it. Which isn't entirely your fault, without doing any real research you aren't even aware a lot of the things that would help us build the house, if that makes sense.
Also, don't think I missed the fact you completely ignored the financial paragraph, the one explaining that there are trillions of reasons for there to be some people remaining quiet. Maybe because there wasn't a ready-made response for that one.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 11:25 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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9/11 is fricking crazy though. Like I always say, if Nixon couldn't keep Watergate under wraps how the frick did GWB keep a conspiracy under cover that would have to have thousands of people involved.
GW was only in office for 9 months. That means more than likely the Clinton administration would have had to have been involved
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 11:33 pm
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