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re: Sensible arguments for gun control
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:32 pm to MIZ_COU
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:32 pm to MIZ_COU
Let's argue some more about something that's never going to happen.
As a side note, I believe it was post WWII when some Soviet said attacking the US would be an unreasonable scenario for them because the populace was armed and they would never be able to take it. So they built more nukes.
As a side note, I believe it was post WWII when some Soviet said attacking the US would be an unreasonable scenario for them because the populace was armed and they would never be able to take it. So they built more nukes.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:32 pm to WheelRoute
all of those other situations are either impractical or things I'm willing to risk. I don't bike but if i did i wouldn't wear a helmet because I can make my own decision and take the risk of doing it that way. when I boat i don't wear a life jacket at all times because i can swim. However, I do have one on board so if something does happen it is there. I call a cab if I'm way over the limit. once again another risk I'm willing to take. Sure I could take the risk of being robbed but I prefer to carry and make a person that i despise work if he wants my shite. Im a man of principal, the money can be replaced no problem but I'm not going to roll over for some two bit criminal.
I don't have a bunker mentality at all. I go out just fine and having a great time knowing that life is inherently risky. I just prefer to carry a knife just incase it is needed. Its a small insurance policy.
I don't have a bunker mentality at all. I go out just fine and having a great time knowing that life is inherently risky. I just prefer to carry a knife just incase it is needed. Its a small insurance policy.
quote:it is so nonsense that is why Chicago has a crime problem. Strict control yet gun deaths all the time. Plus why would a criminal choose the hard route vs the easy route. Also think about the mass killings schools and places where guns usually aren't found. It is very rare you see a mass killing go on at the gun range
This is just complete and utter nonsense.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Your odds of being in a plane crash in your life are something like one in seven million. Your odds of being intentionally poisoned are almost nonexistent. Your odds of personally witnessing a home break in? 1/4. Your odds of being mugged are higher than that in some areas.
There a zillion other examples I could use (and some I did which you didn't address b/c they are more likely). Also, I'm definitely going to need to see a source on your odds of being mugged and witnessing a home break in.
Your odds of being a victim of violent crime are still almost incalculably low, and that's before you factor in that you're white, you don't live in an impoverished area, and that many people who are victims of violent crime happen to know their assailant.
If you avoid certain areas at nite and take basic, childlike levels of precautions, you will almost never encounter violence of the type we're discussing here.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:34 pm to WheelRoute
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Also, I'm definitely going to need to see a source on your odds of being mugged and witnessing a home break in
This. I live in Memphis and I've never had any of that happen to me.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:35 pm to Charlestondawg
quote:See that's just silly. Let's start with some soviet. That's a good source. So they built more nukes. That's a good result. And I'm sure billy bob with a rifle worries them more than the american military
As a side note, I believe it was post WWII when some Soviet said attacking the US would be an unreasonable scenario for them because the populace was armed and they would never be able to take it. So they built more nukes.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:36 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
quote:Would you care to make your point in the form of a sentence?
firearms
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:36 pm to MIZ_COU
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And I'm sure billy bob with a rifle worries them more than the american military
Red Dawn, bro.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:36 pm to MIZ_COU
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:37 pm to Rebelgator
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Show me the last mass murder with a duck gun. I'll wait.
How about this one.
Remington 870 Express pump shotgun. One of the most popular hunting weapons in the world.
Also used by Aaron Alexis to shoot 15 people (killing 12) at the Washington Navy Yard on 9/16/2013.
Need any more?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:37 pm to Rebelgator
quote:Wolverines!
Red Dawn, bro.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:38 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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bear arms
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:39 pm to WheelRoute
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It's a ridiculous hypo to begin w/.
Then why did you introduce it?
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if your rationale for not restricting the ownership of firearms in any way is that it provides a deterrent against gov't overreach, then that same rationale would theoretically extend to the ownership of all kinds of weapons
Why? I don't think we should have SAMS or the like.
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Because for a country that spends 3/4's of a trillion annually on the military, a citizenry armed w/ only pistols and rifles isn't capable of providing a balanced deterrent.
Well.. someone should have told those insurgents in Afghanistan, we are militarily superior.
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More and greater weapons are needed
We have more. To the tune of 350 million or so. And again, do you really think the Gov't would destroy America's infrastructure to disarm it's citizens? If they could somehow outlaw and make it a gun free society, do you think it would be difficult for them to overstep their bounds with no opposition? The Gov't has shown time and again, it will overreach it's bounds against citizens.
Waco
Tuskegee
experimenting on U.S. troops with A bombs
The Pellagra Incident
Experimenting on veterans
IV injections of radioactive substances on patients
CIA LSD experimentation
There are a lot of other documented cases of Gov't overreach. There is nothing ridiculous about having a Constitutional Right to deter Gov't overbearance and tyranny. And it doesn't mean it has to end in violence. The threat of force is often times all that is needed. See last couple of weeks in Nevada and the BLM overreach.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:40 pm to JustGetItRight
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Remington 870 Express pump shotgun
I know 0 people that would duck hunt with that.
Plus, the one you pictured has been clearly modded.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:42 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
quote:Ok back to that. And around we go. It say's arms, not firearms. If you are literalist then we can't ban nuclear arms then can we? That's the point of that argument. And the supreme court has held over and over that this is not an absolute right. You can regulate them, you just can't ban them all. And for what it's worth the 2cd amendment is the most vaguely written thing in the constitution.
the right of the people to keep and bear arms
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:44 pm to Rebelgator
Like most southern cities, the crime is pretty concentrated in certain parts of town. I'll stop at the gas station by my apartment at 1 am with little concern for my safety. I sure as shite wouldn't do that on Airways or Plank and Scenic here.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:44 pm to WheelRoute
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Your odds of being a victim of violent crime are still almost incalculably low, and that's before you factor in that you're white, you don't live in an impoverished area, and that many people who are victims of violent crime happen to know their assailant.
Using a pro gun control sites figures...
2007 through 2011, the total number of self-protective behaviors involving a firearm by victims of attempted or completed violent crimes or property crimes totaled only 338,700.
That comes to an annual average of 67,740 per year.
Now think about that. That's nearly 68 thousand more crimes a year, without people being able to defend themselves. Over 10,000 more crimes in your state alone. How many more serious injuries or even deaths would have occurred without those people defending themselves?
Again, that's a pro gun control groups figures. Other figures have people using guns to defend themselves by over double that.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:45 pm to MIZ_COU
So what exactly is it you want us to do?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:47 pm to Duke
There's not a single area in this town I'm worried about being in after dark.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:48 pm to heartbreakTiger
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Sure I could take the risk of being robbed but I prefer to carry and make a person that i despise work if he wants my shite. Im a man of principal, the money can be replaced no problem but I'm not going to roll over for some two bit crimina
Gee, sounds like a great reason to promote gun ownership. I like to think that I'm secure enough in my manhood to recognize that a desperate person breaking the law who wants my wallet poses only a physical threat to me, not an existential one.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 12:48 pm to Rebelgator
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Remington 870 Express pump shotgun
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I know 0 people that would duck hunt with that.
probably the most popular shotgun on the planet, and used in duck hunting and all other gun related activities. So you dont know that many duck hunters
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