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Robert e lee day
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:33 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:33 am
Lets be honest. Robert e lee lost. Hes a loser who lost a the most important war in American history to a drunk and this loser gets half a federal holiday, which would not be so bad if us grant had a holiday but he doesn't.
frick it. Lets give the 90-93 buffalo bills their own holiday they are losers, no person lost more president elections than Alexander Hamilton he should have his own holiday too. No one celebrates alydar coming in second in all three triple crown races. That's whayis wrong with the south u want to celebrate races. God forbid u say anything other than the loser fagot was the best general ever and you might as well be a commie, he fricking sucked there I said it, frick lee frick Virginia the south ain't rising again
frick it. Lets give the 90-93 buffalo bills their own holiday they are losers, no person lost more president elections than Alexander Hamilton he should have his own holiday too. No one celebrates alydar coming in second in all three triple crown races. That's whayis wrong with the south u want to celebrate races. God forbid u say anything other than the loser fagot was the best general ever and you might as well be a commie, he fricking sucked there I said it, frick lee frick Virginia the south ain't rising again
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:34 am to vengeanceofrain
I was pretty surprised when I saw that business in Arkansas had special hours because of Robert E Lee Day. I'd didn't know it existed. And now, I somehow have it as a paid holiday.
I'll celebrate by listening to blues all day, hanging out with my pitbull, and using blunt wraps instead of rolling papers.
I'll celebrate by listening to blues all day, hanging out with my pitbull, and using blunt wraps instead of rolling papers.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 5:47 am to vengeanceofrain
Lee was whipping the North's arse until Sherman said frick it, and went Bin Laden on everyone's arse, burning and destroying civilian property and resources.
ETA it is weird he gets a federal holiday.
ETA it is weird he gets a federal holiday.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 5:48 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 7:05 am to vengeanceofrain
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No one celebrates alydar coming in second in all three triple crown races.
Alydar beat Affirmed in the Great American and Champagne Stakes if memory serves, and the final tally was 3-7. Did very well in the breeding shed and progeny include Easy Goer and Alysheba.
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frick Virginia the south ain't rising again
Hoos won the CWS, Hogs have yet to win one.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 8:17 am to deeprig9
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Lee was whipping the North's arse until Sherman said frick it, and went Bin Laden on everyone's arse, burning and destroying civilian property and resources.
Sore loser.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:06 am to vengeanceofrain
Don't care. I still get the day off.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:11 am to deeprig9
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Sherman said frick it, and went Bin Laden on everyone's arse, burning and destroying civilian property and resources.
#TotalVictory
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:22 am to vengeanceofrain
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Hes a loser who lost a the most important war in American history
Eh, there was one before it that was important as well
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:23 am to deeprig9
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it is weird he gets a federal holiday.
He doesn't. It's a state holiday in Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi. For a while they were separate days and state employees could choose which one to take off. They combined them all at some point, forget when.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:28 am to The Spleen
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It's a state holiday in Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi. For a while they were separate days and state employees could choose which one to take off. They combined them all at some point, forget when.
Ya, since it is on the same day as MLK many people don't even know that is observed. I honestly didn't know about it till a couple of years ago.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 9:45 am to vengeanceofrain
Robert E. Lee Day isn't even really recognized in Virginia anymore except by some redneck nutjobs.
Lee is still highly respected as a man in Virginia for his fierce defense of his home state. Obviously, the nature of his state's cause seriously clouds his legacy.
Lee is still highly respected as a man in Virginia for his fierce defense of his home state. Obviously, the nature of his state's cause seriously clouds his legacy.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 9:46 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:14 am to vengeanceofrain
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Robert e lee lost. Hes a loser who lost a the most important war in American history
To be fair, anyone who has ever picked up a book knows how stacked the odds were against the man based on men and materiel. He actually did a very good job of putting the South in a position to win. He did mess up really bad at Gettysburg. He also earned admiration for the way he attempted to set an example for reintegrating the south into the Union.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:19 am to GnashRebel
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reintegrating the south into the Union.
This is what should probably be remembered over everything at the end of the day
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:05 pm to vengeanceofrain
Robert E Lee was a great man by all measurements.
He's somebody that should be revered today for his character, if nothing else -- which of course is impossible given our zero-sum epidemic and PC misunderstanding of history.
People should know it was the blockade and other joint economic/military moves that made it impossible for the South to win -- Lee knew this going into it which adds to his character.
He's somebody that should be revered today for his character, if nothing else -- which of course is impossible given our zero-sum epidemic and PC misunderstanding of history.
People should know it was the blockade and other joint economic/military moves that made it impossible for the South to win -- Lee knew this going into it which adds to his character.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:07 pm to Crowknowsbest
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the nature of his state's cause seriously clouds his legacy.
The various truths about the Civil War are cornerstones for understanding the forces we're dealing with today -- but even in the south people have been engineered to think certain ways about the war. It's a shame.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:16 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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The various truths about the Civil War are cornerstones for understanding the forces we're dealing with today -- but even in the south people have been engineered to think certain ways about the war. It's a shame.
It is, but in terms of Lee's legacy, it will be nearly impossible for the general population to separate him from the issue of slavery. His (and his state's) motivations are nearly irrelevant to most given the divisiveness of that single issue.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:30 pm to Crowknowsbest
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It is, but in terms of Lee's legacy, it will be nearly impossible for the general population to separate him from the issue of slavery. His (and his state's) motivations are nearly irrelevant to most given the divisiveness of that single issue.
I'm not sure we're on the same page. Maybe we are. But yeah, definitely, there is zero chance this war and all that surrounds it will ever be properly understood in modern times.
Not going to have a wasted day on this topic, but I don't think the civil war had very much to do with slavery, I think it was used for PR purposes before, during, and after the war and I think there's a blindness to industrial slavery in the north and overall racism from the entire union. A lot more to say. Just not going to waste the time saying it.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:39 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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I don't think the civil war had very much to do with slavery, I think it was used for PR purposes before, during, and after the war and I think there's a blindness to industrial slavery in the north and overall racism from the entire union.
I think it had a lot to do with slavery, but not in the sense of some kind of ethical awakening. It was more of a chip in economic and political (and eventually military) posturing.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:42 pm to Crowknowsbest
Yes.
But at that point the definition of the question changes -- to me.
The question 'was it about slavery' doesn't mean what most mean when they say it.
But at that point the definition of the question changes -- to me.
The question 'was it about slavery' doesn't mean what most mean when they say it.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:47 pm to Crowknowsbest
The Civil War was 100% about slavery, but it wasn't about the North's desire to rid slavery because it was immoral. Abolitionism was growing, and many opposed it on moral grounds, but as with almost every other war, money talks. The North was losing global influence because of the lower tariffs in the Southern ports. The South's economy was 100% driven by slavery, so they saw their opportunity to cripple their economy by abolishing slavery. Once the Southern states started seceded(which was 100% so they could maintain slavery), it escalated the situation.
Lee was like a lot of men at that time. He recognized slavery was immoral, yet still felt blacks were an inferior race. There were things to respect about him, but I'll stop short on calling him a great man of character. Despite his feelings on slavery being immoral, he still chose to fight to preserve the institution.
Lee was like a lot of men at that time. He recognized slavery was immoral, yet still felt blacks were an inferior race. There were things to respect about him, but I'll stop short on calling him a great man of character. Despite his feelings on slavery being immoral, he still chose to fight to preserve the institution.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 1:49 pm
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