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Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:40 pm to
The real reason the Catholics worship Mary is because when they came to the new world to spread their faith with the sword (and steal everyone's gold) they realized they couldn't sell Catholicism to the savages because they came from a matriarchal society. So, start building shrines to a woman and everyone jumps on board (and is given smallpox most likely).
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:55 pm to
Posted by thatguy45
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 1:00 pm to
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and is given smallpox most likely).

Was it the conquistadors fault that the Indians hadn't been exposed to it before? Indians couldve used biological warfare too
Posted by TheDeathValley
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:28 pm to
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Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.


We do not worship Mary, but we respect her place in our religious history. She is revered, not worshiped.
Posted by BowlJackson
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 2:39 pm to
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The Omega Code 2


The Omega Code movies were the shite

So were the Left Behind: The Kids series
Posted by Dawgirl
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:08 pm to
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Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.


I didn't cite the prayer.

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We do not worship Mary, but we respect her place in our religious history. She is revered, not worshiped.


Again, I understand the respect for Mary. But why ask for her to pray for us sinners? We are all sinners, therefore the one we should be asking forgiveness from is Jesus. But through Jesus is our only way to God. Not Mary.

I didn't think my question would generate such a large response. And I am in no way trying to trash the Catholic religion. I've been told a few things and am curious about what I was told. I appreciate everyone being honest about it.
Posted by thatguy45
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:10 pm to
That tank battle at the end of 2 was great. Never saw the first
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 3:18 pm
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:15 pm to
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Again, I understand the respect for Mary. But why ask for her to pray for us sinners? We are all sinners, therefore the one we should be asking forgiveness from is Jesus. But through Jesus is our only way to God. Not Mary.


You say this isnt a troll, but again blatantly misinterpreting it with the usual diatribe...

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. I've been told a few things and am curious about what I was told.


Stop believing what you have been told and actually read yourself...

Here is a brief

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Catholics do not worship Mary. We honor Mary, but we do not adore her. Worship and adoration are reserved for God alone.

However, Mary, without a doubt, holds a critical place in the life of a Catholic.

Mary, through her fiat, became a collaborator in God’s plan for salvation. She was chosen to conceive Jesus Christ and agreed despite her fears and confusion. She gave birth to and nurtured, taught and loved God’s only son. Her child is both fully human and fully divine, making her the Mother of God.

Protestants and non-Christians often confuse Catholic devotion to Mary. They say the Bible does not instruct Christians to honor Mary in such a way, and they take issue with our description of Mary as Mother of God.

Let’s go back to the scene of the Visitation in the first chapter of Luke’s Gospel, where we can address both arguments: “When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said: ‘Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (Lk 1:41-43 )

And Mary responds: “Behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed” (Lk 1:48 ).

So there we have Mary addressed as the Mother of God and Mary held up as someone who should be considered blessed by all future generations.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains that Mary has a continued role in the life of the Church that is “inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it” (No. 964 ).

Catholics see Mary as their spiritual mother and go to her for comfort and assistance. When we pray for Mary to intercede for us, we are not asking Mary to grant our request. We are praying that the Blessed Mother will take our prayer needs to her Son on our behalf.

And who better to trust with those intentions? After all, it was at his mother’s request that Jesus performed his first miracle at the wedding at Cana.

The statues, the medals, the stained-glass windows and the prayer cards depicting Mary are not a sign of worship but a sign that Catholics recognize Mary’s role in helping them move closer to her Son, which is supposed to be the ultimate goal for every Christian.

“To Jesus through Mary,” the old devotion says, explaining in a few simple words what this somewhat complicated relationship with Mary is all about.
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 3:19 pm
Posted by Dawgirl
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:19 pm to
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blatantly misinterpreting it with the usual diatribe...


No I am not.

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Stop believing what you have been told and actually read yourself...


I never said I believed what I was told that is why I asked the question. And for you to insinuate that I have not read the Bible or read anything about Martin Luther, you are wrong. I asked a legit question - Stop being so sensitive.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:25 pm to
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No I am not.


Where in that prayer does it ask for forgiveness from Mary?

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I never said I believed what I was told that is why I asked the question


you seem to believe everything you stated here?

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And for you to insinuate that I have not read the Bible or read anything about Martin Luther, you are wrong
back to my previous response

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blatantly misinterpreting


I never said you havent read the bible or anything on martin luther
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 3:26 pm
Posted by Dawgirl
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:33 pm to
Read the prayer that was posted above. Not going to argue with you about this. I read everyone's comments and some answered honestly and I appreciate that.
Posted by KSGamecock
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:33 pm to
She’s trolling.
Posted by AUCatfish
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 3:41 pm to
Serious question....do you not interact with any one that is Catholic in real life?
Posted by Dawgirl
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 6:06 pm to
Yes and the ones I have interacted with are "hard core" Catholics and see other forms of Christianity as sub par. That is why I asked the questions.
Posted by Dawgirl
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 6:08 pm to
No I'm not.
Posted by KSGamecock
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 6:14 pm to
I'm pretty sure you are.

If you wanted answers to these questions google can provide hundreds of excellent, neutral and informative answers but instead you came here and spouted the same tired script most Catholics have heard from Baptists many times.

You haven't shown that you've read and understood any of the good-faith answers people have given you and instead you just keep returning to the same questions like nobody answered you.

You came in bad faith to stir something up and get a reaction.

You're trolling.
Posted by thatguy45
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 6:16 pm to
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google

Patricians use bing
Posted by MEd LSU
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 6:45 pm to
you are backwards, Martin Luther leftbooks out of the protestnt bible, Catholicism is the original christian faith and Luther began his following out of protests (hence protestant)

So my question is why did Luther leave out those books in his version of the bible
Posted by Commander Data
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 7:38 pm to
Why would we need or want to go to Christ through Mary when we can go to Christ on our own? Jesus intercedes with the Father on our behalf. I am not here to say that Catholics are wrong or that the op had good intentions when she started the thread.
Posted by Dawgirl
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:48 pm to
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Jesus intercedes with the Father on our behalf. I am not here to say that Catholics are wrong or that the op had good intentions when she started the thread.


I did have good intentions. I meant no disrespect toward Catholics. I just wanted to know if come Catholics believe in some of the doctrines. Like what Constantine did to Catholicism by bringing in multiple religions as one. For example, they brought in Egypts ISIS God.
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