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Physicians, I need some feedback.

Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:22 pm
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:22 pm
I need some doctors opinions. My daughter who is a sophomore in high school has her heart set on med school. I’d like some opinions on the best schools for pre-med. She’s a pretty smart cookie and has the grades: 4.45 GPA in AP/advanced classes, a 31 ACT and a 1340 SAT.

Here’s her requirements: she’d like a smaller school, not a large state university. The reason? She’s a swimmer and wants to compete in college. But she knows she’s not SEC material. She’d love to be, but she’s realistic and knows she’s lower D1 or high D2/D3 level.
She wants to stay generally in the SEC footprint: from Texas to Virginia. Not TOO far from home.
And she wants a good school with a good reputation. Her academics come first to her.

She’s looking at some good schools like: Emory, Tulane, Washington and Lee, Sewanee. But we’d like an opinion from the people in the business. Nobody knows it like the ones in the trenches. It’s hard to glean good info on how prominent a school’s pre-professional programs are from an admissions brochure. And finally, she’s not sure what area she wants to specialize in yet. She was leaning OB/GYN but she loves kids so peds is tugging at her.

So I’m looking for your opinions. We’re going to visit places of course, but I want to make sure we don’t waste our time at some places and don’t miss some hidden gems. Can y’all help me out?
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
15294 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:33 pm to
I'd look at Baylor. Great med school and the athletics have just been raping people of all sports lately.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:38 pm to
I see what you did there. That’s pretty bad, BPM. Baylor- good school but they are almost out of it. No swim team. It’s a club sport only. In Texas, we’re looking at Rice or SMU.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
15294 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 9:42 pm to
Rice then. SMU is for people with coke habits.
Posted by RocktownHog52
Little Rock
Member since Sep 2013
422 posts
Posted on 2/22/18 at 10:33 pm to
As a sophomore in HS, don’t over complicate it. She sounds like a strong student. If she goes to a good regional school she will have a great chance to get into an instate med school (or better). With a high GPA and a string MCAT (along with a few other volunteer/experiences) she should be fine.

She shouldn’t even think about a specialty at this point. I decided I did not want to be a surgeon(my dream since age 16) the last month of my 3rd year of med school and while it was a huge stressor, all turned out for the best.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 8:01 am to
quote:

Sewanee



I knew 4 or 5 people that went there, and all of them developed a healthy cocaine habit and flunked out. That may be the company I keep and not indicative of the school overall, but just a cautionary tale. They were all good high school students.


Your daughter sounds like a spitting image of mine. Swims, takes school VERY seriously, wants to be a doctor, but mine is only in 5th grade. She has her heart set on Birmingham Southern, though we have a long time to figure that out.

My wife works in the medical field, and best I can tell the place for undergrad doesn't really matter. All of the doctors she works with went to Alabama, Auburn, or some other big school. I think the medical school they go to is a bigger deal.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:15 am to
Thanks everyone. Keep it coming.

Wow about Sewanee. We had a guy a few years older than my daughter who she swam with who just graduated from there and spoke highly of it. She’s already been communicating with the swim coach there and it’s moving up her list. We’ll check that out carefully. Thanks.

Tulane was high on her list but we’ve read some pretty negative things recently regarding campus safety and dilapidated facilities that are causing it to fall.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:34 am to
Like I said, it's likely just the company I kept at one point in my life. Sewanee is a good school, and honestly a lot of these smaller liberal arts colleges probably have the same problem as they get a lot of kids from the well-heeled private high schools in the South.

And if she does swim team, that will likely keep her out of trouble.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
16175 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:40 pm to
I agree with what others said. Specialty talk is way early. My wife and I changed our minds about our specialty several times in medical school.

It’s all going to hinge on her MCAT and her GPA. It does not matter what school she attends as long as she can crush the MCAT.

Pick a small school that she can swim and have fun. Because the next 8 years will be awful.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
100,000 posts
Member since Jan 2007
49097 posts
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:57 pm to
Hey Phil,

This may help Best Pre-Med Schools

I own a Physician Recruiting company and in my experience, I have never seen one hiring entity concentrate on where the doctor went to undergrad. Their concern is where they went to med school. With that said, of course where they go to undergrad will determine the quality of med school they get into, but if your daughter went to Rice for instance, that's a great school in its own right. You just need to make sure that she knows what areas she needs to focus on to get into the medical school that she's interested in. Then try to get the best grades possible to graduate Summa or Magna Cum Laude and crush the MCAT. Read that link that I provided and it will help. Best of luck...

More Pre-Med Info
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This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 11:29 pm
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4409 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 3:28 pm to
I don't have much advice to answer the specific question, but I do have some other advice.

Please do whatever you can to encourage her to keep an open mind. Getting fixated on one particular thing at her age might work out perfectly, or it might end up making her life miserable.

Lots of things in college for a smart kid to discover that may be completely new to her, and she might like more than a medical career.

Lots of perfectly normal people change their minds as they progress through their careers; try not to help her think she has to make her final decision now and never deviate from it.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 4:20 pm to
Thank you for your reply. Forgive me if I pick your brain some more but you kinda led into this. Aside from the obvious (Harvard, Johns Hopkins, etc) what med schools stand out to you and your company? Any hidden gems that fly under the radar? Thanks in advance for your advice.
Posted by RocktownHog52
Little Rock
Member since Sep 2013
422 posts
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:09 pm to
Honestly, med school doesn’t matter. Save your money and go to a state school (like UAB if you are from Alabama). You want an elite residency/fellowship.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:44 am to
Thanks. I have always told her she’s not locked into anything yet and may change her mind. So far, she hasn’t wavered. So I’ll keep trying to help her follow her dream.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
100,000 posts
Member since Jan 2007
49097 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 12:31 am to
I disagree with RockTownHog to some extent. Hog is right if all she ever wants to do it practice Primary Care medicine somewhere with no aspirations of anything outside of the clinic. But if she ever wanted to be say a Medical Director or the Chair of a Department at some point, then medical school counts a lot. The reason is that it is very competitive for some of those positions and every advantage helps. If she's competing against someone from Johns Hopkins or an Ivy League school, then all else being equal, they will take the person with the best medical school.

The better medical schools are well known for how difficult they are to get into as well as their tough curriculum. Once they graduate from a great medical school, then it's easier to "match" with the better Residency's. Some may disagree, but I'm positive that hiring entities such as CEO's and other MD's look more favorable the less someone has moved around. So for instance, if she goes to the same school for undergrad, medical school and also stays for her residency, then it looks awesome on a CV (doctors resume). They like it because the longer someone stayed, it means they were doing a great job and weren't asked to leave and didn't have any personality conflicts with anyone. Yes, sometimes when doctors make a move it's because they were asked to leave for any of a variety of reasons. So on a CV it looks like they made a change for some reason, but in actuality they were asked to leave and other people in the industry know this happens and are on the lookout for it.

As far as the best medical schools, it can depend on several factors like the specialty she plans to go into or the region of the country she plans to work. All of the top ranked medical schools that you've often heard of, like the ones you mentioned, are great and therefore often mentioned. She won't go wrong if she's able to get into any Ivy League school, or John's Hopkins, or something like that because nationally they are well known as great schools. Regionally there are good schools and a lot of people in a certain state might look very favorable on a local medical school. If she wants to work in Texas for example, the Baylor College of Medicine or UTMB are both well known and liked. Just remember, clinical medicine is about marketing yourself. When patience are looking for a new doctor, when they have a choice, they will go with someone from Harvard over a medical school they've never heard of. Hospitals look at marketing their new hires in the same way, so they want a marketable school and will pay more for it. It's the same if they want to go into research and publish. The more reputable they sound, the better chance they'll have. Hope this helps...
This post was edited on 2/26/18 at 8:37 am
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
11727 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:41 am to
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Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9411 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 12:08 pm to
My sister is an OB/GYN.

Undergrad doesn't really matter. Go to a good school and make good grades. Then apply to Medical schools.

She may even realize once she gets to college that she isn't interested anymore.

You don't need to go to the same college for undergrad and medical. It's way too early to pick a college based on their medical school.
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