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Our society has crumbled?
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 9/23/22 at 11:42 pm
And now is decaying?
Or is it still in the process of crumbling?
I think there’s more pain to go through before officially saying that it has crumbled. Maybe a financial collapse or international conflict will be the straw that vreaks the camels back
Or is it still in the process of crumbling?
I think there’s more pain to go through before officially saying that it has crumbled. Maybe a financial collapse or international conflict will be the straw that vreaks the camels back
Posted on 9/24/22 at 7:27 am to Between TheHedges
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nd now is decaying?
Or is it still in the process of crumbling?
I think there’s more pain to go through before officially saying that it has crumbled. Maybe a financial collapse or international conflict will be the straw that vreaks the camels back
Folks have been saying this for last several thousand years. Don't sweat it.
I am reminded of a Roman philosopher/statesman who wrote this long creed about how Rome had become weak and was going to collapse soon. The next 300 years were the Golden Age of Rome when their territory, military power, wealth, and arts were at their height.
Posted on 9/24/22 at 12:42 pm to Arksulli
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The next 300 years were the Golden Age of Rome when their territory, military power, wealth, and arts were at their height.
We had that for the 50's, 60's, and 70's
The debt we started taking on in the 80's ended our 30 year run. We should have gone through a Great Depression in 08' to reset everything but went even deeper in debt on the bailouts. I think the US treasury has printed more paper under Trump and Biden than all the other paper printed up to their terms in office.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 1:15 am to Cheese Grits
There's more Benjamins in circulation than George Washingtons. At the current rate we may be properly fricked.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:28 am to Between TheHedges
It will get worse, but society as we have known it is over.
What the democrats started 60 years ago is now here and accelerating rapidly.
What the democrats started 60 years ago is now here and accelerating rapidly.
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:57 am to kywildcatfanone
yea it is beyond dollars too
Posted on 9/25/22 at 6:14 pm to Arksulli
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Folks have been saying this for last several thousand years. Don't sweat it. I am reminded of a Roman philosopher/statesman who wrote this long creed about how Rome had become weak and was going to collapse soon. The next 300 years were the Golden Age of Rome when their territory, military power, wealth, and arts were at their height.
Time devours everything.
Our bodies are being devoured by time.
The Grand Canyon was created by time and water.
It may be time that this is the time that society crumbles.
Thousands of years is a long time in comparison to our limited human lives, but it is a millisecond when compared to a billion years.
And a billion years is nothing compared to infinity.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 7:49 am to Between TheHedges
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Time devours everything
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You run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking.
Racing around, to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older.
Shorter of breath, and one day closer to death.
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way.
The time is gone, the song is over.
Thought I'd something more to say...
Posted on 9/26/22 at 10:21 am to Between TheHedges
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Time devours everything.
Our bodies are being devoured by time.
The Grand Canyon was created by time and water.
It may be time that this is the time that society crumbles.
Thousands of years is a long time in comparison to our limited human lives, but it is a millisecond when compared to a billion years.
And a billion years is nothing compared to infinity.
You can't scare me with existential dread. I watch Arkansas sports. Death, infinity, the Cubs winning the World Series... none of that holds any fear for me.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 11:41 am to Arksulli
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You can't scare me with existential dread. I watch Arkansas sports. Death, infinity, the Cubs winning the World Series... none of that holds any fear for me.
Not trying to scare you
I do acknowledge your observations about people saying similar things for thousands of years. And am adding that yes that’s true but thousands of years really isn’t that long in the totality. Someone will be right about it eventually.
The Age of Aquarius is upon us
Posted on 9/26/22 at 12:14 pm to JimmyRussell
quote:the economics reflect the culture as a whole
yea it is beyond dollars too
Social media has given people this insane idea that every thought that comes to their feeble mind needs to be shared.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:50 pm to Arksulli
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You can't scare me with existential dread. I watch Arkansas sports.
Posted on 9/26/22 at 1:58 pm to Between TheHedges
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Time devours everything.
Our bodies are being devoured by time.
The Grand Canyon was created by time and water.
It may be time that this is the time that society crumbles.
Thousands of years is a long time in comparison to our limited human lives, but it is a millisecond when compared to a billion years.
And a billion years is nothing compared to infinity.
No worries, we'll twerk our way out of it.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:54 am to Between TheHedges
It’s a spiritual and moral collapse, and so everything else collapsing is due to that first.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:26 am to Mike da Tigah
The human race has forgotten it’s connection to God and the universe. We created our own society thinking that we could go it alone. That mindset dooms you to failure from the get go.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:06 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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The human race has forgotten it’s connection to God and the universe. We created our own society thinking that we could go it alone. That mindset dooms you to failure from the get go.
Now we are a society worshipping false gods.
Instead of bronze bull statues, it’s Instagram and only fans accounts (amongst many other things)
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:59 pm to Between TheHedges
Ladies and gentlemen,
I feel that this award was not made to me as a man, but to my work – a life’s work in the agony and sweat of the human spirit, not for glory and least of all for profit, but to create out of the materials of the human spirit something which did not exist before. So this award is only mine in trust. It will not be difficult to find a dedication for the money part of it commensurate with the purpose and significance of its origin. But I would like to do the same with the acclaim too, by using this moment as a pinnacle from which I might be listened to by the young men and women already dedicated to the same anguish and travail, among whom is already that one who will some day stand here where I am standing.
Our tragedy today is a general and universal physical fear so long sustained by now that we can even bear it. There are no longer problems of the spirit. There is only the question: When will I be blown up? Because of this, the young man or woman writing today has forgotten the problems of the human heart in conflict with itself which alone can make good writing because only that is worth writing about, worth the agony and the sweat.
He must learn them again. He must teach himself that the basest of all things is to be afraid; and, teaching himself that, forget it forever, leaving no room in his workshop for anything but the old verities and truths of the heart, the old universal truths lacking which any story is ephemeral and doomed – love and honor and pity and pride and compassion and sacrifice. Until he does so, he labors under a curse. He writes not of love but of lust, of defeats in which nobody loses anything of value, of victories without hope and, worst of all, without pity or compassion. His griefs grieve on no universal bones, leaving no scars. He writes not of the heart but of the glands.
Until he relearns these things, he will write as though he stood among and watched the end of man. I decline to accept the end of man. It is easy enough to say that man is immortal simply because he will endure: that when the last dingdong of doom has clanged and faded from the last worthless rock hanging tideless in the last red and dying evening, that even then there will still be one more sound: that of his puny inexhaustible voice, still talking.
I refuse to accept this. I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail. He is immortal, not because he alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance. The poet’s, the writer’s, duty is to write about these things. It is his privilege to help man endure by lifting his heart, by reminding him of the courage and honor and hope and pride and compassion and pity and sacrifice which have been the glory of his past. The poet’s voice need not merely be the record of man, it can be one of the props, the pillars to help him endure and prevail.
William Faulkner
Faulkner on the nihilistic turn of literature mid-20th century
LINK
I feel that this award was not made to me as a man, but to my work – a life’s work in the agony and sweat of the human spirit, not for glory and least of all for profit, but to create out of the materials of the human spirit something which did not exist before. So this award is only mine in trust. It will not be difficult to find a dedication for the money part of it commensurate with the purpose and significance of its origin. But I would like to do the same with the acclaim too, by using this moment as a pinnacle from which I might be listened to by the young men and women already dedicated to the same anguish and travail, among whom is already that one who will some day stand here where I am standing.
Our tragedy today is a general and universal physical fear so long sustained by now that we can even bear it. There are no longer problems of the spirit. There is only the question: When will I be blown up? Because of this, the young man or woman writing today has forgotten the problems of the human heart in conflict with itself which alone can make good writing because only that is worth writing about, worth the agony and the sweat.
He must learn them again. He must teach himself that the basest of all things is to be afraid; and, teaching himself that, forget it forever, leaving no room in his workshop for anything but the old verities and truths of the heart, the old universal truths lacking which any story is ephemeral and doomed – love and honor and pity and pride and compassion and sacrifice. Until he does so, he labors under a curse. He writes not of love but of lust, of defeats in which nobody loses anything of value, of victories without hope and, worst of all, without pity or compassion. His griefs grieve on no universal bones, leaving no scars. He writes not of the heart but of the glands.
Until he relearns these things, he will write as though he stood among and watched the end of man. I decline to accept the end of man. It is easy enough to say that man is immortal simply because he will endure: that when the last dingdong of doom has clanged and faded from the last worthless rock hanging tideless in the last red and dying evening, that even then there will still be one more sound: that of his puny inexhaustible voice, still talking.
I refuse to accept this. I believe that man will not merely endure: he will prevail. He is immortal, not because he alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance. The poet’s, the writer’s, duty is to write about these things. It is his privilege to help man endure by lifting his heart, by reminding him of the courage and honor and hope and pride and compassion and pity and sacrifice which have been the glory of his past. The poet’s voice need not merely be the record of man, it can be one of the props, the pillars to help him endure and prevail.
William Faulkner
Faulkner on the nihilistic turn of literature mid-20th century
LINK
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:59 pm to Between TheHedges
The media will always promote this narrative. What they don’t want to tell people is we are merely temporary visitors ( not as individuals because we know we all pass). But as a species. The planet will do what it wants with all of us. There are scientific studies that show a dropping of the human IQ. This isn’t an entire surprise because many neuroscientists have written that mankind has maxed out its learning potential over the last 50 or 60 years.
And with a decline in intelligence arrives some animosity and aggression in everyday interactions. So it is happening to a degree. One day the oceans will be full of new species again, replacing the ones that have been overfished and slaughtered, the huge forests which dominated the lands in ancient Africa and modern South America will appear again, to replace the deforestation that mankind has been voraciously responsible for over the past 1,000+ years. New specifies will fill in the vacuum of mankind one day. We, as a species, are on borrowed time. Whether it is by floods, other natural disasters, pestilence, wars, lack of clean water, something or a series of unfortunate events will replace us. But the planet has been around for billions of years. What we are seeing as far as a disappearance of human morals and integrity may be a lashing out by humanity against the inevitable changes. But we are all responsible for the world as it is today. Some are much more culpable than others.
And with a decline in intelligence arrives some animosity and aggression in everyday interactions. So it is happening to a degree. One day the oceans will be full of new species again, replacing the ones that have been overfished and slaughtered, the huge forests which dominated the lands in ancient Africa and modern South America will appear again, to replace the deforestation that mankind has been voraciously responsible for over the past 1,000+ years. New specifies will fill in the vacuum of mankind one day. We, as a species, are on borrowed time. Whether it is by floods, other natural disasters, pestilence, wars, lack of clean water, something or a series of unfortunate events will replace us. But the planet has been around for billions of years. What we are seeing as far as a disappearance of human morals and integrity may be a lashing out by humanity against the inevitable changes. But we are all responsible for the world as it is today. Some are much more culpable than others.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:51 pm to Between TheHedges
Actually, society isn't crumbling, it's correcting just like the market(s). Inequality has been so accepted as the norm and now the undeveloped are becoming developed, the small is are becoming big and the marginalized are gradually leveling the playing field.
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