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re: "Making a Murderer" on Netflix: Wow
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:50 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:50 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I feel like I am watching the Fargo series
I'm moving to Fargo in August. It will be entertaining.
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:55 pm to AUbagman
Dude, seriously? Fargo? Why my man are you going there?
Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:31 am to Roger Klarvin
I finished the series last night and I won't lie, that scared the shite out of me. There is so much to be discussed but here are a few key things I want to share.
I saw enough to have doubt in convicting them, but not enough to exonerate them. The biggest doubts is where was all the blood based on what they convicted them of doing. The tampered blood evidence. The key showing up after several inspections of his bedroom.
I can't get past the "bombfire" the night she was first missing among other facts to look past the boy and uncle.
The roommate and ex BF bother me
The other nephew and brother-in-law doesn't sit well with me.
I was floored by the actions of the boys defense attorney and investigator.
I was impressed by the attorney's for Steven and saw the difference between a good lawyer and appointed lawyers. Which I always basically knew, but watching it happen was a wow moment.
I believe the Sheriff's office was up to no good and the fact their office and the DA handed it over to Calumet was a sham for appearances only.
The DA Kratz made my skin crawl.
I don't believe that all detectives let the facts lead them to solving a case, but manipulate, coerce, bully, lie, and deceive to elicit a desired outcome. I also believe there are those that do it the right way. I also can say I never believed our system was flawless, but slapped me upside the head.
I have learned if I were ever put into that situation I would immediately ask for a lawyer and not answer a single question. As long as I was not physically or mentally compromised.
I have no doubt that our justice system needs an overhaul, but feel no matter what we do it can be corrupted by the people who administer the process.
Even if it is one side of the case mostly being shown in this documentary it should be viewed by everyone. There was enough straight from the horses mouth stuff to make you have doubt despite any possible bias of the filmmakers.
Finally, I will pray that never happens to me or anyone I love and care about. This had a profound effect upon my way of thinking and previous bias towards justice being served. I still hate criminals, but I will be more open to other possibilities.
I saw enough to have doubt in convicting them, but not enough to exonerate them. The biggest doubts is where was all the blood based on what they convicted them of doing. The tampered blood evidence. The key showing up after several inspections of his bedroom.
I can't get past the "bombfire" the night she was first missing among other facts to look past the boy and uncle.
The roommate and ex BF bother me
The other nephew and brother-in-law doesn't sit well with me.
I was floored by the actions of the boys defense attorney and investigator.
I was impressed by the attorney's for Steven and saw the difference between a good lawyer and appointed lawyers. Which I always basically knew, but watching it happen was a wow moment.
I believe the Sheriff's office was up to no good and the fact their office and the DA handed it over to Calumet was a sham for appearances only.
The DA Kratz made my skin crawl.
I don't believe that all detectives let the facts lead them to solving a case, but manipulate, coerce, bully, lie, and deceive to elicit a desired outcome. I also believe there are those that do it the right way. I also can say I never believed our system was flawless, but slapped me upside the head.
I have learned if I were ever put into that situation I would immediately ask for a lawyer and not answer a single question. As long as I was not physically or mentally compromised.
I have no doubt that our justice system needs an overhaul, but feel no matter what we do it can be corrupted by the people who administer the process.
Even if it is one side of the case mostly being shown in this documentary it should be viewed by everyone. There was enough straight from the horses mouth stuff to make you have doubt despite any possible bias of the filmmakers.
Finally, I will pray that never happens to me or anyone I love and care about. This had a profound effect upon my way of thinking and previous bias towards justice being served. I still hate criminals, but I will be more open to other possibilities.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 7:16 am to Roger Klarvin
I'm on episode 7. In the back of my mind I've keep telling myself that the producers are leaving out a lot of details, but so far that isn't true. My gf follows people magazine on Facebook and they've reported this story. The comments on there are glorious. Manitiwoc Co couldn't have asked for worse a PR hit.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:07 am to plazadweller
Watched the whole thing. Feel like it could have been told in 2 hours.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 3:40 pm to Grievous Angel
I have an enormous urge to punch "Special Prosecutor" Kratz right in the fricking mouth.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 4:58 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Dude, seriously? Fargo? Why my man are you going there? ?
I know, it will suck, but it's only temporarily. My wife got a head biologist position with the Fish and Wildlife Services. It's the nature of our careers, I can find a good job anywhere, so we have to move where her prospects are best. She plans on transferring in a few years.
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Posted on 12/29/15 at 6:54 pm to AUbagman
That's cool. Allows you to see other parts of the country and see new things. Hope it turns out to be a good stop, 
Posted on 12/29/15 at 7:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
Starting this tomorrow.
Slight hijack: the doc 'Long Way Round' is a solid watch, as well.
Slight hijack: the doc 'Long Way Round' is a solid watch, as well.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 8:43 pm to bbeck
Can someone answer some questions i have after watching this?
-How was the nephew not given a new trial? It was pretty damn obvious his pre-trial lawyers never presumed him to be innocent especially with the investigator working for an admission of guilt.
-Why didn't the nephew's lawyer during the trial allow for the part of the taped confession when he said, "they're getting things in my head."
-How on fricking earth did everyone say with a straight face that everything about the first interview with the kid was legit? They just kept asking leading questions and if he said no, they said to stop lying until he said yes. Then they used it like it was gospel.
-Did they ever figure out a possible motive for Avery?
-Why did no one follow up with the victim's boss who was said she had been getting constant calls from an unknown number?
-How have neither of them been retried?
Finally, and this is not a question but just an opinion, that sneezy DA was such a toolbag. Every word out of that fat frick's mouth was infuriating.
-How was the nephew not given a new trial? It was pretty damn obvious his pre-trial lawyers never presumed him to be innocent especially with the investigator working for an admission of guilt.
-Why didn't the nephew's lawyer during the trial allow for the part of the taped confession when he said, "they're getting things in my head."
-How on fricking earth did everyone say with a straight face that everything about the first interview with the kid was legit? They just kept asking leading questions and if he said no, they said to stop lying until he said yes. Then they used it like it was gospel.
-Did they ever figure out a possible motive for Avery?
-Why did no one follow up with the victim's boss who was said she had been getting constant calls from an unknown number?
-How have neither of them been retried?
Finally, and this is not a question but just an opinion, that sneezy DA was such a toolbag. Every word out of that fat frick's mouth was infuriating.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:10 pm to BallstotheWesleyWall
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How was the nephew not given a new trial? It was pretty damn obvious his pre-trial lawyers never presumed him to be innocent especially with the investigator working for an admission of guilt.
Corruption and the commitment to getting Avery on something. If the state dropped the charges against Dassey then that's a slight admission that they have no case against Avery and that if they coerced a confession from Dassey they likely planted evidence against Avery.
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Why didn't the nephew's lawyer during the trial allow for the part of the taped confession when he said, "they're getting things in my head
Because he's a dumbfrick career ball-player. He's a patsy just looking to do his part. He wanted to be a politician not a lowly public defender. Notice the look in his eye when the TV cameras were on him. That dude would have done anything the establishment wanted to help get him in better favors of the county good ol' boys.
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How on fricking earth did everyone say with a straight face that everything about the first interview with the kid was legit? They just kept asking leading questions and if he said no, they said to stop lying until he said yes. Then they used it like it was gospel.
Their paychecks depend on them getting confessions. It's horrendous.
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Did they ever figure out a possible motive for Avery?
Nope, just that he spent 18 years in jail for rape. He didn't commit the first one, but maybe he wanted to finally actually do one. That's all I ever gathered, they didn't really cover motives for any possible suspect.
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Why did no one follow up with the victim's boss who was said she had been getting constant calls from an unknown number?
Those calls might not have come from Avery... Might have pointed suspicion to someone else. That wasn't in the interest of the county's witch hunt.
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How have neither of them been retried?
Avery family doesn't have the money. As good as his attorneys were, they weren't sharp enough on some of the basics.
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that sneezy DA was such a toolbag. Every word out of that fat frick's mouth was infuriating.
agreed. frick that POS. He gave me the heebie jeebies from the first moment he was on camera. That effeminate voice is a cover.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:31 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Good God that case is infuriating. Hopefully the increased publicity it is getting now finds a couple lawyers to do it probono. It could help make someone's career.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:30 pm to BallstotheWesleyWall
Wife and I watched the first three tonight.
After some shite that was pulled on me in a former life by the State, I figured nothing could make me be even more skeptical of the prosecutorial system. Incredible.
After some shite that was pulled on me in a former life by the State, I figured nothing could make me be even more skeptical of the prosecutorial system. Incredible.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:23 pm to RoyalAir
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Anonymous will publish evidence to help the convict from Netflix’s Making a Murderer
After taking on the KKK and ISIS , hacktivist group Anonymous appears to have found a new mission: assisting Steven Avery , a Wisconsin native convicted of raping and murdering photographer Teresa Halbach on flimsy evidence. Some of the evidence that ensnared Avery in the case was brought forward by Manitowoc County Sheriff’s Department’s Sergeant Andrew Colborn and Sheriff’s Department Lieutenant James Lenk — evidence that was missed in numerous prior searches of Avery’s property. It takes viewers through his wrongful conviction and exoneration 18 years later for the rape of a woman from Manitowoc County, Wisconsin.
Using a new Twitter handle, Anonymous has promised to release emails and phone records that will expose collusion between Lenk and Colborn.
Avery is the subject of Making a Murderer, a new 10-part documentary series from Netflix .
The two policemen were also suspected of discovering evidence that would have cleared Avery’s name in his first major case years earlier than his eventual release.
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The tweets claim that Anonymous may have found emails and phone records that allegedly point to the two officers collaborating in November 2005, during the murder investigation. On Sunday, the group gave the sheriff's department 48 hours to release the records. Bustle has reached out to the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department for comment.
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This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:00 am to Roger Klarvin
I was amazed he didn't own ANY underwear, none. Not a single fricking pair.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:40 am to Shirley U Jhest
Kind of OT but have any of y'all watch the docuseries "The Staircase"?
Very good and in the same vein as "Making a Murderer".
Very good and in the same vein as "Making a Murderer".
Posted on 12/30/15 at 3:51 am to BamaChick
This dang series got me to looking around at my county jail's detention roster. Just wanted to see if there were any obvious bullshite. Lots of excessive bonds that people were just having to sit it out until a court date months away.
I did happen upon this inmate who has a bit of an ironic name.
Desire Treat
I did happen upon this inmate who has a bit of an ironic name.
Desire Treat
Posted on 12/30/15 at 7:15 am to Roger Klarvin
I am about to finish Mad Men. Only one season left. Then I will be watching this.
Cant wait
Cant wait
Posted on 12/30/15 at 8:13 am to LanierSpots
Watch it Lanier. Prepare to be sick and angry. Very angry.
Everyone needs to see this. Something needs to be done about these motherfrickers.
Everyone needs to see this. Something needs to be done about these motherfrickers.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 10:47 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Everyone needs to see this. Something needs to be done about these motherfrickers.
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