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Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:15 pm to Kentucker
Who/what created the universe? It's a question that thus far is theoretical in its answer only but everyone wants THE answer.
If the universe had a beginning and it come from an event like the big bang, what caused it?
Can you even apply the terms we use such as matter and particles to the pre universe, if so where did it all come from? If not, one must wonder how we went from pre universe to now as something has have caused it.
If the universe has no beginning, and is infinite from before the planet's were made and it's always been here and always will be, can the same not be said of God?
If God were an infinite being, he would have no beginning nor end, he just is, just as the Greeks postulated about the existence of the universe millennia ago.
That's your answer, best I can give at any rate.
If the universe had a beginning and it come from an event like the big bang, what caused it?
Can you even apply the terms we use such as matter and particles to the pre universe, if so where did it all come from? If not, one must wonder how we went from pre universe to now as something has have caused it.
If the universe has no beginning, and is infinite from before the planet's were made and it's always been here and always will be, can the same not be said of God?
If God were an infinite being, he would have no beginning nor end, he just is, just as the Greeks postulated about the existence of the universe millennia ago.
That's your answer, best I can give at any rate.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:48 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
quote:Then he can't be upset when someone doesn't believe in him.
Maybe that's why he didn't.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 10:59 am to thatguy45
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If the universe has no beginning, and is infinite from before the planet's were made and it's always been here and always will be, can the same not be said of God?
The same can be said for the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Zeus, Allah and any number of other deities that have no physical evidence or explanation. Ultimately, we have to look locally for the answer: Man makes gods in his own image.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 11:00 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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Oh, wait you're only taking a dump on Christ, the Bible, and Christians during their Holy Week leading up to their most holy of celebrations, the Resurrection of Jesus.
Never mind. Carry on. Nothing to see here. No need for an RA. You're simply expressing your lack of religious faith by mocking the religious on the board and what they believe.
Must be a Mooslim. That seems to be allowed these days.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 11:44 am to Kentucker
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The same can be said for the flying spaghetti monster, Zeus
No as Zeus was not around in the beginning of Greek mythology, nor were the titans. They had a birth
As for this being applied to other deities, yes it is.
But, you asked, I gave you an answer. If one asked a scientist how the universe came to be, he could put forth theories, with no greater proof than that of God because, you can't know what there was before the universe
Posted on 4/19/19 at 1:01 pm to Kentucker
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...deities that have no physical evidence or explanation. ...Man makes gods in his own image.
Interestingly your comment turns Christian belief and Scripture's teaching upside down and inside out-that God created Man in his image-and became a man to perfect the revelation of himself and his nature to mankind.
Christian faith is rooted in the Incarnation, Crucifixion, Death, Burial, and Resurrection of Jesus, crucial events, Christians believe, are actually rooted in time and space.
Remembrances of a few of them, coincidentally, are in progress even now.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 4:55 pm to thatguy45
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No as Zeus was not around in the beginning of Greek mythology, nor were the titans.
No gods at all were around as mankind evolved. Religion came with sentience. One can conclude that the rich imagination that accompanies the sentient brain gave us gods and other supernatural beings. It’s logical to think that these beings would take the form of their creator.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 5:38 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
I read this link this morning. This is pretty good research you may like. If you find something interesting, let's hear from you.
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 6:00 pm to AndyWoods
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 6:16 pm to Kentucker
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as mankind evolved.
Sorry but mankind has not "evolved."
Posted on 4/19/19 at 6:40 pm to Kentucker
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No gods at all were around as mankind evolved. Religion came with sentience
Of course religion is human in its nature. Religion is not built for the use of animals but man. Man is himself unique from the rest of the animal kingdom because of his sentience.
But, you can not say that because there was no man at one point in time there was no God. For if not God, how is our universe here? By the law of conservation of mass, matter can neither be created nor destroyed in a closed system, namely our universe. It can change to energy but then the law of conservation of energy applies and it is still held constant.
So then is the universe infinite from the "beginning of time" with all the matter/energy pre-existing? If so why did we go from blackness to numerous galaxies?
What caused matter to form into the states we now see them, why did they not stay as they were?
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One can conclude that the rich imagination that accompanies the sentient brain gave us gods and other supernatural beings
One can conclude many things. Such is the ability that humans have that other creatures on Earth do not.
I conclude that an outer source (God) formed the universe as we now know it and is not a part of our closed universe and can operate outside of our laws.
I admit, I can not convince you of my conclusion. Man is in his nature beholden to his own thoughts and there is no point in debating this issue. You and I hold our thoughts on the subject, as do many other people. I can not convince you to believe in the existence of God nor think him non existent, that is your decision as a human.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 6:42 pm to thatguy45
Well said.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 6:50 pm to Dawgirl
Posted on 4/19/19 at 7:00 pm to thatguy45
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I admit, I can not convince you of my conclusion. Man is in his nature beholden to his own thoughts and there is no point in debating this issue. You and I hold our thoughts on the subject, as do many other people. I can not convince you to believe in the existence of God nor think him non existent, that is your decision as a human.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 8:57 pm to pvilleguru
What facts? Most things regarding the origins of our universe are theoretical.
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 10:22 pm to thatguy45
Calm down. It just a gif. Every time someone makes the "we can argue all day and neither of us is going to change our minds" argument, I immediately think of that scene from IASIP.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 10:25 pm to pvilleguru
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Every time someone makes the "we can argue all day and neither of us is going to change our minds" argument, I immediately think of that scene from IASIP.
I've never seen Its always sunny in Philadelphia. It any good?
I know Danny DeVito's in it, don't think I've ever seen anything bad with him in it, except Junior. Twins was great
Posted on 4/19/19 at 10:27 pm to Kentucker
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we have to look locally
There’s no reason to trust experience from the physical world over experience from special revelation. Plus special revelation is local.
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