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Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:34 pm to AndyWoods
Not hiding. Not discussing religion. TD doesn't allow that. It only allows or embraces the kind of stuff you posted.You're not interested in looking beyond your own prejudices anyway. Continue to hide behind mocking and paradoxes you believe are clever. I'm not playing. Talk to a priest or minister or research in sources not inimical to Christianity and its claims.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:35 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
Well, just know my intentions were not to belittle others, and I've been frustrated by these things for many years. I could have handled it more appropriately.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:38 pm to AndyWoods
quote:Good God please don't have kids
You'd consider having one of your own creations flee your side, to pursue his own thoughts and desires, successful? I would deem that a failure,
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:41 pm to genro
Right, I forgot human babies have the same relationship as the angels and the Lord. I'm enjoying your multiple fabricated personal attacks toward me.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:42 pm to AndyWoods
How do you know that God created humans after he "failed" with the angels?
And why do you consider creating a being with free will a failure?
And why do you consider creating a being with free will a failure?
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:43 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
I don't consider beings with free will a failure. The angels surely have a unique relationship with the Lord. It's not even close to a human raising another human.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:51 pm to AndyWoods
quote:YOU are the one putting it in human terms. You literally said how would you feel if one of your creations...? Your whole line of questioning ITT has been based on human reasoning and emotion.
Right, I forgot human babies have the same relationship as the angels and the Lord.
You want to crawfish out of that logic into something else? Now we have to put ourselves in the mind of God himself? That's a different plane of existence. We can't fathom it just as an ant cannot fathom why humans make their decisions. Could've told you from the beginning the Lord works in mysterious ways, figured you'd heard that one
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:51 pm to genro
Nice
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:53 pm to AndyWoods
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Well, just know my intentions were not to belittle others, and I've been frustrated by these things for many years. I could have handled it more appropriately.
Fair enough. Pretty Alpha to apologize. Good man.
I certainly could have tread a little more lightly in my replies. That's an apology.
I'm 65, almost 66, and been a Christian since I was 22. I have struggled through many similar frustrations as you referenced. The answers, or a large number of them are out there. Some remain a mystery to me. To borrow a phrase, "seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you." I don't believe God ever turns his back on an honest, open minded, open hearted seeker.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:54 pm to AndyWoods
Unique or not, it seems they have free will. One chose jealousy and hate over love.
If you're really hunting for answers, then just start by reading Christ's teachings. The little "why's" you're asking about become much easier after you understand the big "Why".
If you're really hunting for answers, then just start by reading Christ's teachings. The little "why's" you're asking about become much easier after you understand the big "Why".
Posted on 4/18/19 at 4:02 pm to AndyWoods
Is it a cop-out? Yeah, kinda. Can't explain something? Lord's mysterious.
But that's the rub. He is a high being beyond all human comprehension. That is the definition of God. If he's not that, he's not God. There has to be some of the unexplainable. There has to be faith.
But that's the rub. He is a high being beyond all human comprehension. That is the definition of God. If he's not that, he's not God. There has to be some of the unexplainable. There has to be faith.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 4:06 pm to genro
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He is a high being beyond all human comprehension. That is the definition of God. If he's not that, he's not God. There has to be some of the unexplainable. There has to be faith.
If there is a god, then I don't think it HAS to be like that.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 4:19 pm to pvilleguru
I think it does. How are we supposed to fathom something that created time and space itself and exists infinitely? What does it even look like? Is looking even a thing? What was happening before? Is before even a thing?
Posted on 4/18/19 at 4:30 pm to genro
If it's a god that can essentially create time, space, the universe, angels, all beings, is omnipotent, omnipresent, etc., then he/she/it surely could have made us able to comprehend what he/she/it is, and at the very least could do something that leaves no doubt as to whether he/she/it exists and rendering "faith" obsolete.
If this god is above our comprehension, then it can only be by this god's choice.
If this god is above our comprehension, then it can only be by this god's choice.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 4/18/19 at 4:46 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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In our English translations of the Bible, Matthew 28:1 tells us that Mary Magdalene went to visit the tomb after the Sabbath, but in the Greek texts, it uses the plural of Sabbath, indicating that there were back to back Sabbaths.
Theres other differences between the Greek Septuagint and our English translations of the Masoretic Hebrew.
One of the ones Ive come across is the number of years that Shem's descendants lived. 100 years is tacked onto their lives in the Septuagint, whereas in the masoreteic, each of these 100's are not there.
Which in turn means Shem was alive for when Abraham was around and is thus identified by some as Melchizedek (King of Salem) per the Masoretic text, though Melchizedek is never noted in the old testament to be Melchizedek and if these 100 years are added on Melchizedek =/= shem. Melchizedek also is noted in Hebrews as having no genealogy, nor birth or death, which makes him seem more a Christ like figure than Shem.
Jesus is of course identified as high priest per the order of Melchizedek rather than Levi
Just one of the differences which can lead to a divide over things.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 4:53 pm to pvilleguru
quote:Maybe he did that. Maybe those are the angels
then he/she/it surely could have made us able to comprehend what he/she/it is, and at the very least could do something that leaves no doubt as to whether he/she/it exists and rendering "faith" obsolete.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 5:27 pm to pvilleguru
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and rendering "faith" obsolete.
Maybe that's why he didn't.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 5:29 pm to AndyWoods
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I'm enjoying your multiple fabricated personal attacks toward me.
He was only responding to your attacks. You started attacking those of us with faith and those of us who believe in the Almighty. He has a right to defend his beliefs as much as you have a right to defend your non-belief.
Reading the Gospels would help you a great deal in understanding God, Jesus and yes, even Angels. And if you have not read any part of the Bible, especially the Gospels, then you should be weary of "poking the bear" with people of faith.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 5:32 pm to genro
quote:You mean he made the angels the proof or he gave angels the ability to comprehend?If it the first one, that's not proof since there's no proof that angels exist. If it's the second one, then my point still stands. He could have done it to us but he didn't.
Maybe he did that. Maybe those are the angels
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