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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:35 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:35 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I can't believe it's not open source.
It was on youtube, but wanted you to pay 1.99 for it. I saw it streaming somewhere else, but it kept freezing up. That goodness for torrents.
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:13 pm to NATidefan
quote:Thanks. I'd hope that most Christians do have that attitude, but it's tough to tell these days.
That's the attitude more Christians need. Although, I don't think "being gay is a sin" is a valid talking point anymore... at all.
I don't want to go down another rabbit trail in this thread by discussing homosexuality, but I'll just say it's one among many sins that Christians should be contemplating, rather than making it the only one. There are far more sexual sins that don't get addressed very often.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 12:24 pm to OMLandshark
quote:There's never a need to "talk down" to others like that, regardless of their beliefs. I'm not always consistent in this regard but I try my best not to do it because I think everyone should be treated with respect. The entire episode was about trying to make the concepts understandable to the lay person. There's no point in going a step further and insulting those with religious convictions.
I'm trying to be nice now, but you really have to be condescending to heavily religious people when it comes to evolution. You have to break it down to the most basic concepts in order for them to understand. The mere fact that you'd bring up a dog evolving into a cat makes it essential that we talk that way.
I think you're dwelling way too much on the "dog-to-cat" comment I made. I never intended that to mean that it is even possible that dogs could evolve into cats or that the theory of evolution postulates that idea. It was simply a word picture to get a point across, but apparently it wasn't effective in the least.
quote:That's good, I guess, but evolution is really a cruel and heartless theory, since it gives no value to life and adds no purpose to living other than survival. It allows for the most cruel and wicked actions to take place in the name of survival and there is no one (not even the Earth) to care about you if you are weak, wounded, and left for dead by a more "fit" organism.
And you also have to put it in a spiritual way. I do feel spiritual being connected to all animals and knowing that we come from a common base. It helps reassure me that even after humanity is gone, we will still continue to advance in some way as a planet.
It doesn't care about us so why should we care about it and its future?
Maybe that makes you feel connected to the universe and that gives you a spiritual feeling, but it does absolutely nothing for me.
quote:You're welcome, and thanks for sharing the link. I had heard of that show when it got rebooted and was going to air, but I don't watch a lot of TV so I didn't take time to watch it.
But regardless, thanks for watching it, and I can't ask much more out of you in this thread.
I really do try to listen to the arguments of others and understand what others believe. While I would be perfectly content to live in a bubble with only like-minded individuals, that's not a realistic expectation that I've ever had, and it doesn't do me or anyone else much good, either.
I find that if I'm able to at least understand what others think and believe, it helps me get along better with them, even if I don't agree. So yeah, I don't have a problem with watching something like Cosmos.
This post was edited on 4/11/14 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:26 pm to MontyFranklyn
Elephants and pine trees, guesses and suppositions.
N stuff.
N stuff.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:31 pm to beejon
I was wondering when you'd show up. 
Welcome to the melee.
Welcome to the melee.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:34 pm to Kentucker
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Welcome to the melee.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:36 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Why would someone alter the text afterward? What would they gain by doing this? Who would do this?
I don't think you understand the point I was making and you're starting to bore me.
Interpolations occur in every text. They're practically irrelevant unless they become viewed as authoritative and take the place of the original. They're also irrelevant if they don't change the meaning of the text. So if I switched the order of two words in the Greek text, it's an interpolation that probably doesn't change the meaning one bit. Likewise, if I use a different dialectical spelling, it's technically an interpolation with no practical effect on the text.
As for the peer-reviewed mythicism, hooray for them finally getting something published. It's been 2000 years in the making.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 1:42 pm to the808bass
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As for the peer-reviewed mythicism, hooray for them finally getting something published. It's been 2000 years in the making.
Do you think the church dominating most of the documents and the field of biblical study had anything to do with that at all? I'm going to assume that you don't.
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nterpolations occur in every text. They're practically irrelevant unless they become viewed as authoritative and take the place of the original. They're also irrelevant if they don't change the meaning of the text.
The Comma Johanneum is a comma (a short clause) in the First Epistle of John (1 John 5:7–8), the inclusion of which is a matter under great debate. This text is variously referred to as the Comma Johanneum, the Johannine Comma, the Heavenly Witnesses, 1 John 5:7 or 1 John v:7. The question of the authenticity of the verse, with the phrase:
there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.
has been a major subject of debate from the 1500s to today. The debate on 1 John 5:7 has also been a primary focus of discussions on the integrity of the New Testament documents and scribal fealty to the Bible text. The varying doctrinal and Christological interpretations of the verse have been a major part of these debates.
Seriously, it's like you've never done any research whatsoever on this subject -- other than what the majority opinion was. Wake up, man. Things are changing.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 5:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 5:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Glad to see this thread still up
Posted on 4/11/14 at 6:01 pm to Manzielathon
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Glad to see this thread still up
I did a lot of research, I'm gonna get an answer.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:07 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Holy shite, even I dont think an evolution thread should go 30 fricking pages
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:10 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Do you think the church dominating most of the documents and the field of biblical study had anything to do with that at all? I'm going to assume that you don't.
The church hasn't dominated the field for well over a century. The myth of mythicism is gaining ground in the peer-reviewed community now. Good for this cat. He got two dudes to sign off on his book.
And great job on the most cited interpolation of all time that actually has theological relevance.
I knew you could do it.
:gold star:
My little textual critic is all grown up now. Now if you'd like to debate the doctrine of Christology or the Trinity with the wider tableau of Scripture, we could do that and note that neither Christology nor the Trinity hang upon that one verse. But I have a feeling you don't.
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 9:11 am
Posted on 4/12/14 at 10:07 am to beejon
Elephant eating it's cousin....
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:10 am to beejon
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Elephant eating it's cousin....
Quite literally. There is only one tree of life, no pun intended, and every organism on it has exactly the same DNA as its basis. That's why an elephant can eat a fir tree, a lion can eat a gazelle and why we can eat dead and living organisms and turn them into the essentials for growth. We can't do the same with rocks and sand.
Neither could we eat organisms from a competing tree of life. This is further evidence of a common origin and evolution from it.
Of course, some(one) would probably say this is just a guess and supposition.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:14 am to beejon
I am convinced that you are beyond help
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:16 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Don't forget the anti-Semitic comma, that's a big one.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:47 pm to beejon
Elephants eat whole trees?...
This evolution stuff really is witchcraft
;)
This evolution stuff really is witchcraft
;)
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:55 pm to Manzielathon
Im convinced beejon is just a very dedicated troll. The christians hate him because he acts high and mighty and judgemental, and the non-christians hate him because he says things about science that make their toes curl. That's an impressive feat for one poster.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The christians hate him because he acts high and mighty and judgemental
Woah. Hold on friend! I don't think I've ever acted high and mighty and judgmental...ever.
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