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JesusQuintana
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
I don’t believe that for a second


djsdawg
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
Only a person who thinks this is all political BS wouldn’t believe it.


AU66
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
maybe over simplistic but since it almost never kills anyone under 50, per say, that`s the majority of our population and work force, why not send them out as normal, quarantine those at risk with financial support which would be cheaper than what we have been doing and let this burn itself out the way epidemics and pandemics have always done pre vaccination. It just seems to me we are doing this the hardest way possible.


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JesusQuintana
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
Nothing political about the virus at all

The reaction to the virus is hyper political. That’s where you are


djsdawg
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
The reaction simply depends on the amount of cases. There would be a guarantee of football if cases weren’t sky rocketing.


rich4pres
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
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I doubt it was close to millions, and most wore masks. Either way, it was a far less a number than the normal MAGA’s. Focus on the majority, not the minority.

Estimates say close to 10 million nationwide. So, unlike you, I am focusing on the majority. As for mask, they only prevent you giving it not getting it. For example, Philadelphia had 300,000 protesters at one event. If 25% didn't have mask on that is 75,000 people who could've gave it to the whole crowd at one event alone. That had a lot more damaging potential than a store where maybe 25 out of 100 people didn't have a mask on. That's why cases didn't apike until after the protests. I'm not saying you shouldn't wear a mask but completely ignoring what caused this is ridiculous.


djsdawg
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
10 million protestors wearing masks is far less than 50 million MAGA’s not wearing masks.


rich4pres
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
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10 million protestors wearing masks is far less than 50 million MAGA’s not wearing masks.

1. All of those protesters weren't wearing masks. You know that. Stop being ignorant.
2. 50 million would be worse if they were all together, but they are not.
The fact that you think all protesters were wearing mask and all Trump supporters were not shows this is all political to you. Or you are a dumbass. Which is it?


Tigerman97
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
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As for mask, they only prevent you giving it not getting it.


Not factually accurate. Wearing a surgical mask or similar cloth mask correctly prevents about 80% of your chance of giving it to someone else and protects you about 65% from getting it from someone.

LINK


djsdawg
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
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All of those protesters weren't wearing masks. You know that. Stop being ignorant.
2. 50 million would be worse if they were all together, but they are not.
The fact that you think all protesters were wearing mask and all Trump supporters were not shows this is all political to you. Or you are a dumbass. Which is it?


There are far more non protesting people not wearing masks than there were protesters not wearing masks. The fact that you continue to obsess over protesters, while ignoring the main problem, tells us you are politically obsessed.


MIZ_COU
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
Sars is a coronavirus like the common cold. Like the common cold it will likely mutate too fast for there to be herd immunity or an effective vaccine.


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3down10
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
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People like you infected plenty, and then they infected plenty.


People who already had it and are immune infect plenty? Got a link?

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Hospital admissions tell a different story.


No they don't. When this virus first came out they basically shut the hospitals down. These days, the hospitals are still doing everything else and aren't overflowing. They have plenty of ICU beds if they need them. They dedicate a small amount to covid and that's the numbers they quote. The actual number of serious cases is way less than previously.

You're making the error of not taking other factors into account when making comparisons.

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Someone posted the curves a few hours ago. You are wrong about this.


The curves don't match period.

Here's a graph of Swedens curves. This one is adjusted for the amount of testing done.

You'll notice the raw cases does not match the amount of ICU cases, while the adjusted amount matches it almost perfectly.

Sweden didn't do any shut down at all. If you hear many tell it these days, they'll say that Sweden is experiencing a spike. But the reality is it's actually in decline and spiked a long time ago. What's really spiking is the number of tests being done.

Here are there cases:
Image: https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/sweden-cases-icu.png
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3down10
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Not factually accurate. Wearing a surgical mask or similar cloth mask correctly prevents about 80% of your chance of giving it to someone else and protects you about 65% from getting it from someone.

LINK


Your link doesn't have a source. But I bet it's the German study where they ignored the bulk of the data and only focused on the city of Jena even though every other city they got data on went the opposite direction and showed no benefits.



3down10
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
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The reaction simply depends on the amount of cases. There would be a guarantee of football if cases weren’t sky rocketing.




Except it's bull shite that the cases are skyrocketing.

Sweden is especially interesting to me because they didn't do anything in response. It's funny watching people try to paint them as the nightmare situation due to case numbers.

This is a good graph of what people predicted if they didn't put all these draconian measures into place vs what actually happened.

Image: https://swprs.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/sweden-projection-reality-june-28.png


3down10
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
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I'm motivated by not killing people. I'm weird like that.

Nice try with the limp redirect. I'll rate it a 4/10.


You really think the shutdown didn't kill people? It has done extreme damage to millions of people economically, ruining things they have spent much of their lives building. There is a long list of bad effects from the shutdowns and the response.

Since you don't think much about me, how about Dr. John Ioannidis, who is not only the C.F. Rehnborg Chair in Disease Prevention at Stanford, but is also well known for exposing bad science in addition to being a top epidemiologist.

Is he also motivated by killing people? Is he a trump supporter?

Dr. Ioannidis on Results of Coronavirus Studies

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Laffy Taffy Tiger
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Member since Aug 2019
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
Fact is we have no idea how many people have it or had it and are asymptomatic. Numbers are going up because of the number of test being given. I think that it was spreading long before we ever knew about it.


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rich4pres
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Member since Dec 2016
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
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There are far more non protesting people not wearing masks than there were protesters not wearing masks. The fact that you continue to obsess over protesters, while ignoring the main problem, tells us you are politically obsessed.

But not in giant groups where many people can get it. How is that so hard for you to understand?


3down10
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But not in giant groups where many people can get it. How is that so hard for you to understand?


Because that's not the group he wants to blame as it doesn't help his political agenda.


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djsdawg
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
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Except it's bull shite that the cases are skyrocketing.

Sweden is especially interesting to me because they didn't do anything in respons


It’s not BS. Hospitalizations prove you wrong here.

Also, Sweden’s “do nothing” efforts were about the same as our “draconian” efforts. Their citizens are far better than ours when it comes to selflessness.


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djsdawg
Georgia Fan
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re: Herd immunity is gaining fast traction, peaking now...
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But not in giant groups where many people can get it. How is that so hard for you to understand?


So if your theory is true, cases should be sky rocketing in every city that had protests. How is that working out?


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