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Heaven and Hell Exist, and I Believe I Know Where

Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:43 am
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:43 am
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On July 17, 1793, a woman named Charlotte Corday was executed by guillotine for the assassination of Jean-Paul Marat, a radical journalist, politician and revolutionary. Marat was well-liked for his ideas and the mob awaiting the guillotine was eager to see Corday pay. After the blade dropped and Corday's head fell, one of the executioner's assistants picked it up and slapped its cheek. According to witnesses, Corday's eyes turned to look at the man and her face changed to an expression of indignation. Following this incident, people executed by guillotine during the Revolution were asked to blink afterward, and witnesses claim that the blinking occurred for up to 30 seconds.


Countless similar claims have been documented throughout the ages by average individuals to workers in the medical profession.

Medical science indicates that the brain can remain active for 3 - 6 minutes after death. Some professionals believe that the brain remains active for 10+ minutes and experiences a surge of activity immediately after death.

Dreams -

Most dreams last between a few seconds to 20 seconds. However, in dreams we have a completely different perception of time. Days, weeks, or perhaps a lifetime may occur within a 5 second dream.

I believe that Heaven and Hell exist within us. It isn't a realm in the "clouds" or somewhere in deep space. Heaven and Hell are as real as the air we breath and the dirt we stand upon, but it is much closer than we allow ourselves to believe.

Perception-

Perception is reality, no debate. Most people believe that "real life" is what we see and feel while the dreamscape is a false reality. But, one must consider that when we die, when our hearts have stopped beating, our new reality will be our final experience within our brains during the 3 - 10 minutes surge of activity that will occur.

The final 3 - 10 minute brain activity is more than enough time to experience eternity within a dreamscape. If we can experience a lifetime within a five second dream, imagine what we can experience during 10 minutes of surge activity! It is no stretch to consider that the human brain is wired with an "end of life" experience to allow the individual a smoother (or perhaps punishable) transition from life to death. Make no mistake: The intense love, joy, or pain that we may experience within this dreamscape will indeed be our reality at that moment.

What happens when brain activity ceases and the organ decomposes? My theory. Humans are made up of the universe. At the atomic level, we are the universe. When we die, we don't cease to exist. Quite the contrary. At the atomic level, we will continue to exist forever.

Therefore, our very essence will continue to be an eternal cycle of birth, death, and rebirth, which opens the door for reincarnation. If our essence at the atomic level becomes a part of new life, there's no reason to believe that a sliver of a former life can't continue on.

Cellular Memory -

There have been several documented reports by medical professionals that individuals who received transplants, especially heart transplants, have awakened after surgery and muttered the name of the deceased organ donor, even though the patient had no connection to the donor.

Some medical professionals believe that conscience exists at the cellular level. They point to the fact that much is still unknown about RNA, the biological molecules that perform multiple vital roles in the coding, decoding, regulation, and expression of genes. After all, RNA is responsible for gene heredity, which could be explained as gene memory transmitted from life to life.

Therefore, if we connect the dots, one can argue that we will not only experience one afterlife but instead many, that our essence, even slivers of past memories or perhaps our conscience, can be transmitted from life to life (reincarnation), and our essense will in fact exist forever.

God, angels, and demons exists within each of us and rule the network of energy that we all are wired thru our physical composition of universal elements. We are all capable of truly great things just as we are all capable of incredible evil. Sometimes we unleash these forces by choice. Sometimes we accidentally tap into this realm deep within our brains. Other times the human body can experience a glitch that unleashes these forces in spite of the individual's will.

When this happens, the experience becomes the reality.

Louis, the doctor in the classic horror movie Jacob's Ladder, said it best:

“The only thing that burns in hell is the part of you that won't let go of your life: your memories, your attachments. They burn 'em all away. But they're not punishing you,' he said. 'They're freeing your soul. If your frightened of dying, and your holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. If you've made your peace then the devils are really angels freeing you from the earth.”
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 1:15 am
Posted by pivey14
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:47 am to
Posted by Legendary0903
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:48 am to
Solid read and a solid theory

I like the way your mind works.
Posted by We_Need_Cam
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:50 am to
Only read the first half and my mind exploded. I'm going to bed
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:51 am to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 12:57 am to
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:02 am to
Posted by Crimson G
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:03 am to
Honestly, I disagree and feel like reading that wall of text was a waste of four minutes.
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:15 am to
While our dreams may last 5 seconds, we are asleep and able to continue dreaming for much, much, much longer (8 hours) than the 3-10 minutes the brain has activity after death.

During this time, if your theory is correct, we would experience eternity many times over each night we go to sleep.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 1:15 am
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:17 am to
Correct.

However, each night our brains don't experience the "surge" of activity that the brain experiences after death or sometimes during NDE (near death experiences).

I believe that our brains are wired with an "afterlife experience", and that experience can be positive or negative depending on the amount of guilt or sin that we carry into that experience.

Also, brain decomposition would signal an absolute end to any experience, unless you allow yourself to believe in cellular memory. If RNA can pass genetic hereditary traits from one human to another, could it also pass on memories or conscience?

I don't know.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 1:23 am
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:28 am to
While there's brain activity for upwards of (some guess) 10 minutes, the brain doesn't surge for 10 minutes. There's a surge of 4 stages that lasts roughly 4 seconds, 6 seconds, 20 seconds and then no surge or meaningful activity after that.

Take if from this site, I'm no neuro-scientist though.

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In this study, the neuroscientists distinguish four distinct stages of brain death. Cardiac arrest stage 1 (CAS1) reflects the time (~4 seconds) between the last regular heartbeat and the loss of a oxygenated blood pulse (i.e. clinical death). The next stage (CAS2) lasts about 6 seconds, and ends with a burst in low-frequency brain waves (so-called 'delta blip'). The third death stage, CAS3, lasts approximately 20 seconds at which point there is no more evidence of meaningful brain activity at the final stage, CAS4.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:41 am to
the "surge" lasts for approximately 30 seconds. That's enough time for an eternal afterlife within the dreamscape.

However, the information that you posted doesn't account for the possibility of cellular memory and what that could imply in regards to the sub conscience.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 1:42 am
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:44 am to
In case your typing out a big response or something, I've never thought about this before in my life and for all either of us know you're 100% right.

Pretty clear flags though for me with the info in the OP. It's not as simple as our dreams are 5-20 seconds and feel like a really long time and the brain's active for 10 minutes so it must feel like eternity. Like I said, 20-30 seconds after death (roughly the same amount of time as a single dream (let alone the many of those we have in one night) there is no more surge or meaningful activity.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 1:49 am
Posted by Stacked
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:45 am to
And then I go and type some big long response.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:56 am to
perhaps you're right. It's only a theory.

However, thousands of people have reported NDEs after being pronounced dead and then revived. They are convinced that they experienced something significant. Oddly, many of these experiences are nearly identical and have been experienced by non-Christians and atheists.

Usually, when an individual has experienced an NDE, they are changed forever. Their personalities completely change and they no longer fear death.
Posted by Stacked
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:00 am to
Cool theory, bro.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:00 am to
Side note: I just realized that many agnostic or atheistic scientists say that we will exist forever at the sub-atomic level, yet they have no room for discussion of the afterlife.
Posted by DirtyDawg
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:11 am to
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My theory. Humans are made up of the universe. At the atomic level, we are the universe. When we die, we don't cease to exist. Quite the contrary. At the atomic level, we will continue to exist forever.

Therefore, our very essence will continue to be an eternal cycle of birth, death, and rebirth, which opens the door for reincarnation. If our essence at the atomic level becomes a part of new life, there's no reason to believe that a sliver of a former life can't continue on.




From this section in the OP I gather that you have a monistic view point. Just wondering what do you believe in some form of hinduism? Just curious, this post is very thought provoking
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 2:57 am to
Well if you're heaven or hell is only the 3-10 minutes after you die... then I guess we can all stop trying to save people on facebook.. it may seem like a eternity but in 3-10 minutes they'll be swimming with the fishes.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
35977 posts
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:02 am to
quote:

Side note: I just realized that many agnostic or atheistic scientists say that we will exist forever at the sub-atomic level, yet they have no room for discussion of the afterlife.




Hmmmm this isn't correct... but this is how I want to respond..... I'm about to take a shite... and although it is part of me on a sub-atomic level it won't be a part of me in any afterlife.
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