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Has Affirmative Action caused HBCUs to crumble?

Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:02 am
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:02 am
Has it eliminated the need for HBCUs because minorities have more options for higher education?
Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:03 am to
No. Most blacks secretly love segregation.

ETA: They also love equal rights, which they should. They like both even more though.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 11:04 am
Posted by CatFan81
Decatur, GA
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:06 am to
There are still a couple of good HBCU's. Howard, Morehouse and Spelman are still respected. Most of the others... not so much.
Posted by Carolina Tide
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:08 am to
AA isn't as prevalent as you think. I know I didn't get into Alabama because of AA.

But yes, The state schools are hurting the HBCUs tremendously.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:09 am to
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There are still a couple of good HBCU's. Howard, Morehouse and Spelman are still respected. Most of the others... not so much.
There are still those three, but look at Clarke U. It's enrollment has crumbled. Part of that is the people running it were crooks, but that's not the only reason why it's failing.
Posted by CatFan81
Decatur, GA
Member since May 2009
47188 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:11 am to
Yeah, Morris Brown is in the same boat... only worse.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:11 am to
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AA isn't as prevalent as you think. I know I didn't get into Alabama because of AA
I don't think that every minority gets into what ever school they want if that's what you mean.

Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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39987 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:11 am to
That's probably who I was thinking of.
Posted by CatFan81
Decatur, GA
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:12 am to
Probably. They're going to try to sell off a lot of their property because they need the money after the previous administration killed their finances.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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39987 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:14 am to
That would be the one. I know that I was looking at Clarke for my masters and they were asking me to come teach a few classes in lieu of being a student.
Posted by CatFan81
Decatur, GA
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:19 am to
Jeez.

I think they're still in decent shape when compared to Morris Brown but that's pretty bad.

Like I said though, the only legit well respected HBCU's today are Howard, Morehouse, and Spelman.

I don't think those three will go anywhere anytime soon because they have strong, fairly wealthy alumni bases and those alumni send their children to them as well.

I guess you could throw FAMU in? But they don't have the strengths that the other three do.
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:20 am to
Yes and no. Affirmative action and quotas are a part of it but much of it the increased non-legislated opennesses we've seen in recent years.

It used to be that average or good black students attended HBCUs because they couldn't attend anywhere else and then with integration and AA many still chose HBCUs because they were easier to pay for or they felt more comfortable/welcomed.

Now with society more open than ever and with more scholarship/financing opportunities the very bottom of the barrel are choosing HBCUs while the rest are attending better and more integrated schools.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 11:28 am
Posted by Crimson G
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:22 am to
I don't know what the all of the underlying causes are for HBCU's declining. I do know that in this year's state budget, funding for Alabama State University dropped from 40 to 30 million, and they were the only school to see such a significant (25%!) cut in the state.

My personal speculation (as a complete nonexpert) is because ASU alums aren't well represented in the Alabama state legislature, so when there's cuts that need to be made in spending, the hatchet swings disproportionately harder on them.

I received a full-ride offer from Howard (as a black male) but opted for Alabama instead. One of my main concerns was that HBCU's are often losing and gaining and then relosing their accreditation. Last I heard, the engineering programs at Alabama's HBCU's aren't ABET accredited. Honestly, considering their comparative lack of resources, the only legitimate reason I can see for attending an HBCU is because you want to experience what life not as a minority is like, which is understandable. I was the single black kid in all of my honors and AP classes and at times that was annoying.
Posted by Duke
Twin Lakes, CO
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:25 am to
quote:

The state schools are hurting the HBCUs tremendously.


Yup.

Black kids can now go to schools they weren't allowed in back in the day. Those schools have a much longer tradition and much deeper pockets. Thus better education. Most HBCUs just don't serve much of a purpose anymore.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39987 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:26 am to
It just seems like there is a brain drain going on. Those top students who use to got to HBCUs now typically go somewhere else.
Posted by Crimson G
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2013
1353 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:31 am to
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It just seems like there is a brain drain going on. Those top students who use to got to HBCUs now typically go somewhere else.



I can definitely see that. Black kids with great grades and test scores are recruited aggressively by state schools like Alabama. In addition to that, it takes less for underrepresented minorities to get into really great private schools, so if you're a standout applicant and can get into Duke or go to a state school for free, why consider a school ranked lower that you don't receive preferential treatment from?
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:37 am to
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I do know that in this year's state budget, funding for Alabama State University dropped from 40 to 30 million, and they were the only school to see such a significant (25%!) cut in the state.

This could be in part because of an audit that alleged some serious problems with the university's management of funds in 2013.
Posted by Crimson G
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2013
1353 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:40 am to
I don't know all of the facts surrounding the budget cut, but I would rather fix the problem by firing (and if laws were broken prosecuting) the individuals involved rather than punishing the entire faculty, students, and alums (who will now have to deal with their degree carrying less weight).
Posted by Loathor
Columbia, SC
Member since Jun 2012
2369 posts
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:53 am to
I do think it's a shame that some of these schools are failing. I hope that they can be either incorporated into larger schools in the area or preserved somehow (for instance Allen and Benedict here in Columbia are basically on the same campus). There is some great history at a lot of them.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:56 am to
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I don't know all of the facts surrounding the budget cut, but I would rather fix the problem by firing (and if laws were broken prosecuting) the individuals involved rather than punishing the entire faculty, students, and alums (who will now have to deal with their degree carrying less weight).

The school has participated in the obstruction of the audit at some level. So it's difficult to not "involve" the school when it's the school that won't address the issues uncovered.
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