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Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:04 am to BoarEd
Jimmy Page
Prince
Eddie Van Halen
Prince
Eddie Van Halen
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:22 am to BoarEd
Hendrix
Alvin Lee
Terry Kath
Knopfler
Alvin Lee
Terry Kath
Knopfler
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:18 am to crispyUGA
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Prince
Many a guitarist has been befuddled over the intro to “When Doves Cry.” Give it a listen if it’s been awhile.
I’ve been a fan of Prince since I was about 12 and I’m primarily a metalhead.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:02 am to Tiger Ree
There is a Chicago 50th anniversary documentary on Netflix that is excellent if you are a fan like I am. It has great video and commentary on Kath and his influence on both the band and his abilities. Well worth watching.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:16 am to BoarEd
Prince for me, as well.
His performance at the George Harrison tribute was simply the most hair-raising, chills-inducing musical performance I’ve ever seen.
His performance at the George Harrison tribute was simply the most hair-raising, chills-inducing musical performance I’ve ever seen.
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:37 pm to Pavoloco83
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There is a Chicago 50th anniversary documentary on Netflix that is excellent if you are a fan like I am
I'll have to check it out. I am a huge fan. On the IMDB page they listed the Terry Kath Experience - a documentary by his daughter about her learning about him. I'd like to see this also.
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A journey into the mind of one of the most underrated guitarists in rock history. Follow Terry's daughter as she discovers the truth around the life and death of a father she never knew.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5037288/?ref_=nm_flmg_slf_1
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:43 pm to Pvt Hudson
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Jimmy Page
I like Paige pretty well. Zeppelin is one of my favorite bands ever, but honestly I don't think he belongs on these lists. Most these other guys play circles around him in terms of technical proficiency.
He was certainly very creative though, and he's a much better player than I am. That's for damn sure.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:44 pm to BoarEd
How about John Mayer for a newcomer? I think that dude is damn good.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 10:11 pm to finestfirst79
Chet Atkins is one of the dudes that got me into playing guitar. His fingerstyle stuff is incredible.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 10:24 am to BoarEd
the problem is the criteria. if you're talking creativity - that's going to be opinion.
if you're talking technical ability, no one's going to top steve vai. you might not like his creativity but, he's technically unsurpassed and he's formally trained.
there were so many "prodigies" in the 80's but, few of them were formally trained. they just practiced by ear over and over until they had something down. great, great guitarists though and i still marvel at many of them.
i guess my point is as much as i enjoy listening to the creativity of page, hendrix, srv, clapton, etc, those guys technical ability was not prodigious (scandalous!). they were largely self taught in one style of music. formally trained musicians are experts in many styles and techniques. take vai for example, there's nothing that srv or hendrix could play that vai couldn't play, technically. now, you might not like the sound or the inflection that vai had but, he could absolutely can match and surpass any of the classic rock/r&b guys. his first music job was to transcribe zappa's arrangements. now that's sick. trying to write down the musical vomit that came out of that guy's savant brain.
if you're talking technical ability, no one's going to top steve vai. you might not like his creativity but, he's technically unsurpassed and he's formally trained.
there were so many "prodigies" in the 80's but, few of them were formally trained. they just practiced by ear over and over until they had something down. great, great guitarists though and i still marvel at many of them.
i guess my point is as much as i enjoy listening to the creativity of page, hendrix, srv, clapton, etc, those guys technical ability was not prodigious (scandalous!). they were largely self taught in one style of music. formally trained musicians are experts in many styles and techniques. take vai for example, there's nothing that srv or hendrix could play that vai couldn't play, technically. now, you might not like the sound or the inflection that vai had but, he could absolutely can match and surpass any of the classic rock/r&b guys. his first music job was to transcribe zappa's arrangements. now that's sick. trying to write down the musical vomit that came out of that guy's savant brain.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:10 am to bfniii
Yes. There is a balance to be struck between proficiency and creativity, IMO. Jimmy Paige for instance. Dude is damn good, and has such a cool sound, but his proficiency is not nearly as good as ten other dudes mentioned in this thread. In fact, sometimes he is downright sloppy.
Clapton is another guy that I think is over rated. A lot too. He's a bit of a one trick pony. He executes that one trick really damn well, but he doesn't ever leave his comfort zone.
IMO, Mark Knopfler plays circles around either of those guys. Steve Vai is certainly very good as well, even though I don't like his sound. So I never really even consider him, or other guitarists like him.
Clapton is another guy that I think is over rated. A lot too. He's a bit of a one trick pony. He executes that one trick really damn well, but he doesn't ever leave his comfort zone.
IMO, Mark Knopfler plays circles around either of those guys. Steve Vai is certainly very good as well, even though I don't like his sound. So I never really even consider him, or other guitarists like him.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:13 am to BoarEd
I think Prince was brought up in this thread, and in particular that intro solo to When Doves Cry. This is a good example as to what I dislike about heavy metal music. It's all tempo and no soul, IMO. Look at Prince's ability to shred. That pentatonic flourish leading into that song is killer.
But then the rest of the song is soulful.
Metal isn't like that. 90% of the time it's shred, shred, shred. And I guess that's cool if you are an angsty teenager.
But then the rest of the song is soulful.
Metal isn't like that. 90% of the time it's shred, shred, shred. And I guess that's cool if you are an angsty teenager.
Posted on 1/27/18 at 7:43 pm to BoarEd
quote:i'm enjoying post rock/metal. these guys are really working to incorporate other genres such as ambient, drone, jazz, etc. with little to no vocals, they are really relying on technically proficient playing. they're students of music, although i don't like screamo. doomgaze is my favorite subgenre right now.
Metal isn't like that. 90% of the time it's shred, shred, shred
here's a good sampling of post rock/metal
really digging antethic right now
Posted on 1/27/18 at 11:02 pm to bfniii
You mention Vai,
I counter that Shawn Lane, Steve Morse and Jimmy Herring are/were as technically advanced as Vai. Lane was a freak of nature, but he was a fat guy and we both know that there’s a visual bias. That’s the same reason Johnny Hiland is an impoverished country wizard.
I’d put Petrucci there as well, now that I think about it.
As far as I’m concerned, Vai’s monster accomplishment isn’t his playing, it’s his devotion to the art by creating his label as a home for a ton of deserving artists.
But in the end, tecnique or not, it’s what pleases the senses. Of every fine player mentioned, who will be talked about in a hundred years?
Gilmore.
I counter that Shawn Lane, Steve Morse and Jimmy Herring are/were as technically advanced as Vai. Lane was a freak of nature, but he was a fat guy and we both know that there’s a visual bias. That’s the same reason Johnny Hiland is an impoverished country wizard.
I’d put Petrucci there as well, now that I think about it.
As far as I’m concerned, Vai’s monster accomplishment isn’t his playing, it’s his devotion to the art by creating his label as a home for a ton of deserving artists.
But in the end, tecnique or not, it’s what pleases the senses. Of every fine player mentioned, who will be talked about in a hundred years?
Gilmore.
Posted on 1/28/18 at 1:22 pm to Kcprogguitar
No mentions of Jerry Garcia or is he not considered rock by most on here?
My personal top would be David Gilmour.
Currently it is Trey Anastasia.
There have been so many greats it hard to to say definitively who is the greatest
My personal top would be David Gilmour.
Currently it is Trey Anastasia.
There have been so many greats it hard to to say definitively who is the greatest
Posted on 1/28/18 at 1:48 pm to BoarEd
I don't know if he's the best but John Frusciante is my favorite
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