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re: Edward Snowden requests asylum from Russia. Have you changed your mind?
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:56 am to Jerry the Sailor
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:56 am to Jerry the Sailor
It doesn't mean that I don't like them doing it (IN FACT I HATE IT) but do you think they will truly stop it because public out roar ... IMO no!
So as I say if you're doing nothing wrong you probably have very little to concern yourself over.
So as I say if you're doing nothing wrong you probably have very little to concern yourself over.
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 10:05 am to McRebel42
While i see what you are saying, that is a very dangerous attitude to have.
If you feel like they are infringing on your rights, make your voice known. Don't sit silently and let them do things you do not think are right and in the best interest of the future of the country.
If you feel like they are infringing on your rights, make your voice known. Don't sit silently and let them do things you do not think are right and in the best interest of the future of the country.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 4:02 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
BUMP - Today Snowden requested asylum from Russia. I don't think anyone could call Russia our ally. Has anyone's opinion changed with this move on his part?
Posted on 7/1/13 at 4:10 pm to semotruman
I forget what my opinion was last week. But I think he is a dick.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 5:00 pm to semotruman
when he published stuff about the NSA spying on US citizens, I respected him very much.
once it got to the point where he is leaking all sorts of stuff about us spying on other countries, I realized what a traitor he is. I'm hoping that someone executes the whiny little bitch. I am toatlly against the "Big Brother" form of government, and I agree that that should have been exposed. But Its a foregone conclusion that EVERY major nation on the planet spies on other nations (Even their allies). That is where he fricked up and I hope he pays the price. 'Merica
once it got to the point where he is leaking all sorts of stuff about us spying on other countries, I realized what a traitor he is. I'm hoping that someone executes the whiny little bitch. I am toatlly against the "Big Brother" form of government, and I agree that that should have been exposed. But Its a foregone conclusion that EVERY major nation on the planet spies on other nations (Even their allies). That is where he fricked up and I hope he pays the price. 'Merica
Posted on 7/1/13 at 9:06 pm to semotruman
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My concern, and the reason I think he's probably a traitor, is that he absconded from his job with lots of information on his computer and memory sticks. No one really knows the extent, yet, of what he took when he went and started talking to the media. And he took this info with him to China, and now presumably, Russia. And hopes to go to Ecuador - a close ally of Venezuela. I'd bet everyone of those countries already has, or will soon hae, copies of all the info he took with him. That goes way beyond whistle=blowing.
Maybe he doesn't have anything of interest to those countries, nothing beyond the domestic surveillance stuff. But he'd have been stupid to run without info that would give him leverage, and I don't think he's stupid.
I pretty much agree with everyone over the past few pages but particularly your points about the information he took on his computer and memory stick. You don't copy your hard drive before leaving the CIA unless you have ulterior motives
I never bought into this guys motives or the moral outrage over his actions. The same people that initially supported this guys actions were the one who applauded whenever the neighborhood Pedo was arrested . . . How the frick did you think the police magically figured out that the Church Deacon was downloading child pornography? Pretty sure there's someone assigned just to monitor the TD Poli Board alone. I always assumed this type of thing was going on and having it confirmed didn't change my thoughts or opinions
He has done more harm than good and has placed untold numbers of innocent people at risk by running around the world with CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. Espionage is a dirty business and not only are government workers and officials at risk but so are their family, friends, and associates.
I hope him and his smug satisfaction rots
Posted on 7/1/13 at 9:20 pm to undecided
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Posted on 7/1/13 at 9:39 pm to semotruman
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So, today Edward Snowdon requests asylum from Russia. Don't yet know if they will grant it. Does this change anyone's mind from their previous opinion?
No.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 9:41 pm to undecided
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He has done more harm than good and has placed untold numbers of innocent people at risk by running around the world with CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.
So, just because the government labels it's own dirty laundry as "classified," they shouldn't have to be held accountable for it?
Give me a fricking break.
I wish I could label all the dirty shite I ever pulled as "classified" and tell my wife she can't hold it against me because she wasn't supposed to know about it.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 9:45 pm to Jerry the Sailor
I don't think anyone really has a problem with him telling about our domestic surveillance activities. It's the other stuff I have an issue with. Every country spies, we know this. But we don't need our NSA contractors taking info about how we do it to the Chinese and the Russians. That's what, in my mind, makes him a traitor to his country. Russia will bleed him of everything he knows.
This post was edited on 7/1/13 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 7/1/13 at 9:50 pm to semotruman
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But we don't need our NSA contractors taking info about how we do it to the Chinese and the Russians
You are assuming a lot here. Everything he's done, to date, has been in an effort to improve this country for the lives of it's citizens.
He has betrayed our government. Not our country. Those two can be mutually exclusive.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 10:00 pm to Jerry the Sailor
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He has betrayed our government. Not our country. Those two can be mutually exclusive
This is true. But if he was only going to share our domestic programs, why did he choose to flee to Hong Kong, then Russia? Why not somewhere like Switzerland? And why his behavior with his hard drive and memory sticks?
At first, I didn't have a problem. But now I don't trust him or his motives.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 10:07 pm to semotruman
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I don't think anyone could call Russia our ally
I think a lot of countries are saying that about the U.S. because of the current administrations ineptitude and recent actions.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 10:08 pm to semotruman
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Why not somewhere like Switzerland
Extradition treaties or lack thereof.
eta- I'm still undecided at this point. Still with the innocent until proven guilty theory, and curious to see what was released by him in totality.
This post was edited on 7/1/13 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 7/1/13 at 10:34 pm to Alahunter
I just wonder how much thought he put into the long term consequences of his actions?
Do you guys think he'll ever have a decent nights sleep again? I'm pretty sure every country in the world is keeping close tabs on his every move. This doesn't include those that operate in the "gray area" and won't hesitate to use him for their own personal gain
Do you guys think he'll ever have a decent nights sleep again? I'm pretty sure every country in the world is keeping close tabs on his every move. This doesn't include those that operate in the "gray area" and won't hesitate to use him for their own personal gain
This post was edited on 7/1/13 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 7/1/13 at 10:44 pm to undecided
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I just wonder how much thought he put into the long term consequences of his actions?
I suspect not as much as he thought, with the way things are going.
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Do you guys think he'll ever have a decent nights sleep again?
I doubt it. Unless he could fall off the grid somewhere in deep seclusion. Even then, I'd imagine there would be a paranoia about him.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 11:49 pm to semotruman
It's a smart move by him to hangout in Russia. I do think he goes down as traitor because the media and gov shall paint him as such.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 11:56 pm to semotruman
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But if he was only going to share our domestic programs, why did he choose to flee to Hong Kong, then Russia? Why not somewhere like Switzerland?
The thing is, he is being charged by our government under the Espionage Act. Only like 5 or 6 people have ever been charged under that law, even though it has been around for decades, and all but one or two of them have been charged by the current administration.
Fleeing to a country who has an extradition treaty with the U.S. would be a huge gamble for him. He would likely be the first person in history charged under the Espionage Act to flee to Switzerland or Sweden or some other "neutral" country. There is no precedent on how their government would handle the extradition issue.
So then, he is left with a pretty limited array of options. There are only a handful of places he could go where he knows he won't be extradited. Russia and China are two of those places.
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:00 am to Robot Santa
Yea china and Russia are really the only options. Every other country is going to turn someone over or the gov is going to ignore them and get you except wih china or Russia
Posted on 7/2/13 at 8:13 am to heartbreakTiger
So, Semo...
Has your opinion changed now that he has dropped his bid for asylum in Russia?
Mine still hasn't.
Just because our government labels someone as a traitor, or a terrorist, doesn't make it so.
I hate to come across as a cynic, but I'm also not naïve or altruistic enough to take everything at face value.
Has your opinion changed now that he has dropped his bid for asylum in Russia?
Mine still hasn't.
Just because our government labels someone as a traitor, or a terrorist, doesn't make it so.
I hate to come across as a cynic, but I'm also not naïve or altruistic enough to take everything at face value.
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