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re: Coronavirus confirmed in Nashville - SEC is monitoring the situation
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:16 pm to Skyler97
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:16 pm to Skyler97
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They are not really comparable because you are comparing the flu, which is a disease that is caused by different influenza viruses, to a single virus, COVID-19 (commonly being referred to as corona-virus, even though corona virus is a family of viruses as well.)
Another thing to think about as well is that COVID-19 literally started two months ago. The flu has been circulating for a long time. You're comparing a years worth of flu deaths to two months of COVID-19, which is expected to grow very fast due to its high infectiousness.
Part of the reason for the slow numbers is also due to how quickly we reacted to this virus. If we quarantined every flu patient, don't you think it would have a lower infection rate? I mean Italy is having travel bans over this.
All that to say, MOST people probably won't have too many issues from this. However, there is a very specific subset of people who are very susceptible (Old people and those with pre-existing conditions) portion of the world we need to protect.
So how many deaths are required by the flu each year before it's a concern?
The same people who are susceptible that you mention are the same ones who are susceptible to the flu and other such things which do not kill most people.
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Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:16 pm to wareagle7298
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Once healthy 20 to 50 year olds start dropping dead like flies i'll be concerned.
That doesn’t happen with this illness. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be concerned.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:18 pm to 3down10
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how many deaths are required by the flu each year before it's a concern?
It is a concern. That’s why we try to give everyone a vaccine for it.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:19 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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What doctor do you have that didn't give you Tamaflu? shite gets you better in 24-42 hours.
You also don't seem to understand that this is a completely different illness. It's nothing like the flu, it causes respiratory problems (assuming it infects the lungs, which is about 15-20% chance even for healthy individuals). That means that the high risk groups are actually bigger because people with asthma or other respiratory complications are at risk whereas that's not too much of a concern with Flu.
@ going to the doctor over the flu. I may not be the youngest anymore, but my body is still able to kick some flu arse. 
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:20 pm to 3down10
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The same people who are susceptible that you mention are the same ones who are susceptible to the flu
Once again, this is false. You are making shite up.
And once again, this virus will spread in addition to the flu.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:20 pm to djsdawg
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It is a concern. That’s why we try to give everyone a vaccine for it.
No it's not a concern unless you are old and/or have weakened immune system.
Same as this, but here you are telling everyone they need to be scared.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:21 pm to djsdawg
Yeah but do you know the age of the people that died or if they had any underlying medical conditions? I haven’t seen the break down of it but it would be interesting.
I am not saying this can’t kill people but let’s pump the breaks a little here. They will get this under control just like whatever it was two years ago and what it will be two years from now. Of course the people are going to get on TV and tell us the worse case scenario. Ever heard anyone get on TV say anything good?
I am not saying this can’t kill people but let’s pump the breaks a little here. They will get this under control just like whatever it was two years ago and what it will be two years from now. Of course the people are going to get on TV and tell us the worse case scenario. Ever heard anyone get on TV say anything good?
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:22 pm to 3down10
Flu also kills very young people
CV seems to not do that thus far but it's still a risk.
CV also hospitalizes healthy individuals even if there is little risk of serious complications.
You are really showing that you are just making shite up.
CV seems to not do that thus far but it's still a risk.
CV also hospitalizes healthy individuals even if there is little risk of serious complications.
You are really showing that you are just making shite up.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:23 pm to 3down10
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it's not a concern unless you are old and/or have weakened immune system.
We wouldn’t give vaccines for the flu if it wasn’t a concern. Gladly, we have them, so we limit how many people get the flu. We can’t do that for this virus.
Every city is filled with those kind of people, and there isn’t enough room for them in the life hospitals.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:23 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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Once again, this is false. You are making shite up.
And once again, this virus will spread in addition to the flu.
Who said it wouldn't spread in addition? You are the one making shite up.
The only people who need to worry about dying from the coronavirus are the same people who need to worry about dying from the flu - people with weakened immune systems. Healthy people will not die.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:23 pm to Hailstate15
For laughs and giggles I googled 'swine flu' to find that it was like back in 2009. Same sh*t. "Why we should be scared, why its different this time". However, even the WHO (not the rock band) even made the recommendation to not shut down travel or close borders for the specific reason that it will f*ck things up globally.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:23 pm to 3down10
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The only people who need to worry about dying from the coronavirus are the same people who need to worry about dying from the flu
This is not true, yet you keep repeating it.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:27 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
It does target the same population as far severe cases, but everyone is at risk. Which is true with other flu viruses. The difference is this is an airborne virus compared to bodily fluids.
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Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:27 pm to 3down10
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So how many deaths are required by the flu each year before it's a concern?
The same people who are susceptible that you mention are the same ones who are susceptible to the flu and other such things which do not kill most people.
It is a concern? It's one of the most devastating viruses that goes around yearly? We put tons of money into it each year to develop a shot. Thousands die from it each year with a shot, imagine how many if we didn't have one.
Also a big point of cocnern in regards to COVID-19 is that it is hitting during flu season and attacks the same group of people according to the CDC
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"While flu seasons can vary in severity, during most seasons, people 65 years and older bear the greatest burden of severe flu disease. Approximately 90% of influenza-related deaths and 50-70% of influenza-related hospitalizations occur among people in this age group."
So whatever number you throw out in terms of flu deaths, roughly 90% of those were in old people. Now we have a new disease that may be even more deadly in old people circulating, and we don't have a vaccine for it. If I was an older person i would be extremely scared right now, especially given that COVID-19 is apparently extremely contagious.
I understand that you are probably not at risk, and I am happy about that. But it is important that we actually take a step back to think about how this may effect those that are at risk. Being hit double by the flu and COVID-19 could be devastating for older people.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:27 pm to Icoachfb
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Yeah but do you know the age of the people that died or if they had any underlying medical conditions? I haven’t seen the break down of it but it would be interesting.
Kills
50-59 at 1.3%
60-69 at 3.4%
70-79 at 8%
80-89 at 14.8%
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They will get this under control just like whatever it was two years ago and what it will be two years from now. Of course the people are going to get on TV and tell us the worse case scenario.
I wish, but This is very different than whatever it was 2 years ago. It’s the people not on tv that are breaking the bad news down.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:28 pm to Icoachfb
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hey will get this under control just like whatever it was two years ago
They may get this under control, but the numbers are very different and this is a different virus.
I don't see how people don't understand that.
This isn't the first disease scare, sure, but that doesn't mean it's the exact same as the others.
You can only compare apples and oranges so much.
RoK also didn't get it under control, and I think they have a very good healthcare system over there.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:29 pm to 3down10
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The only people who need to worry about dying from the coronavirus are the same people who need to worry about dying from the flu -
Surely you know plenty of folks like this.
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:30 pm to Icoachfb
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Yeah but do you know the age of the people that died or if they had any underlying medical conditions? I haven’t seen the break down of it but it would be interesting.
I am not saying this can’t kill people but let’s pump the breaks a little here. They will get this under control just like whatever it was two years ago and what it will be two years from now. Of course the people are going to get on TV and tell us the worse case scenario. Ever heard anyone get on TV say anything good?
How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu?
Overall for coronavirus, the mortality rate is estimated between 1.4-2.3%, with the 1.4% coming from what seemed more credible.
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Still, the death rate for COVID-19 appears to vary by location and an individual's age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%, according to the China CDC Weekly study. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. No deaths in children under 9 have been reported.
Basically it's what you would expect. In poorer and more developing areas, you get a higher death rate. Also age is a huge factor as well, although that's likely more due to health problems that already exist.
When you get to richer areas with better healthcare, like you would see in the US, and younger people, the death rate basically falls to just above flu levels(which will drop in time as they deal with it more).
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:31 pm to djsdawg
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Surely you know plenty of folks like this.
Yeah, so what?
Posted on 3/8/20 at 7:33 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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They may get this under control, but the numbers are very different and this is a different virus.
I don't see how people don't understand that.
This isn't the first disease scare, sure, but that doesn't mean it's the exact same as the others.
You can only compare apples and oranges so much.
RoK also didn't get it under control, and I think they have a very good healthcare system over there.
The previous big deal virus's were more deadly. Swine flu killed half a million people.
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