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Posted on 7/30/15 at 5:10 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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whats the difference between eating the meat from a cow that came from a ranch and eating meat that came from a wild abundant source like deer.
One is easy to be self-righteous about because teh feels.
The other is a cheeseburger.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 5:14 pm to Kentucker
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killing something that can't fight back?
I am going to assume you are a vegetarian.
Otherwise you'd better never take another bite of beef, pork, chicken, turkey or lamb.
Wild animals have a hell of a better life and at least a fighting chance of survival for more than a couple of years (or a few weeks for poultry) than our factory farm raised animals do.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 5:16 pm to Kentucker
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And trophy hunting? What's the difference between that and a serial killer taking trophies when he kills people? Isn't the only difference being that one is legal and the other is not?
And there it is.
Is the report of him luring an animal off a preserve, etc., etc. troubling?
Yes.
If that is factual he should be fined, lose chance of any future hunts...he should be punished.
But comparing the killing of an animal to the killing of a person is naïve and speaks to your overall worldview...
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 7/30/15 at 5:58 pm to Hog Leg
Problem is, Cecil was lured away from his protected habitat in order to kill him. Now, I might have said this was an accident by the dentist if not for the fact that he has a felony record for doing the exact same thing with a black bear in the states. He lured the bear away from its protected home and killed it, then lied to the wildlife officials about doing so. He was caught lying, confessed to the truth, was convicted of a felony, paid something like $3000 in fines and served a year of probation.
Also, this lion had a tracking device around its neck. Did he somehow not notice this when he, after shooting it with a crossbow and allowing it to suffer for 40 hours, not notice the tracking device when he returned to shoot it? Or when he beheaded it?
He is scum and if he did nothing wrong, then he'd have answered to Zimbabwe's officials by now who have stated they wish to talk to him. Instead, he has basically gone into hiding like the cowardly little bitch that he is. /rant
Also, this lion had a tracking device around its neck. Did he somehow not notice this when he, after shooting it with a crossbow and allowing it to suffer for 40 hours, not notice the tracking device when he returned to shoot it? Or when he beheaded it?
He is scum and if he did nothing wrong, then he'd have answered to Zimbabwe's officials by now who have stated they wish to talk to him. Instead, he has basically gone into hiding like the cowardly little bitch that he is. /rant
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:06 pm to GooseSix
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You need help. And I mean a gas chamber kind of help...
And you need a .45 behind the right ear. Doesn't bleed much or get anybody's carpets dirty.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:11 pm to Kentucker
Lol..Calm down message board Ninja.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:11 pm to Bama323_15
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But comparing the killing of an animal to the killing of a person is naïve and speaks to your overall worldview...
How is it naïve thinking that the pleasure of killing an animal is different from the pleasure of killing a person?
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:14 pm to Carolina_Girl
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Instead, he has basically gone into hiding like the cowardly little bitch that he is. /rant
He's now hiding from U.S. authorities, too.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:15 pm to GooseSix
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Lol..Calm down message board Ninja.
I give as good as I get, dave.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:19 pm to Kentucker
By and large, Zimbabwe folks DGAF.
LINK
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But most people in Zimbabwe don’t care about the dead lion, as they have much greater problems to deal with, such as an 80 percent unemployment rate, insane monetary inflation and a hugely corrupt government.
“Are you saying that all this noise is about a dead lion? Lions are killed all the time in this country,” said Tryphina Kaseke, a used-clothes hawker on the streets of Harare. “What is so special about this one?”
The truth is, most locals in Zimbabwe actually look forward to the big game hunts that Westerners engage in, as the high price tag for the hunts means money pumped into the local economy, not to mention the meat from such hunts is required by law to be given to local tribes and villages.
“Why are the Americans more concerned than us?” said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father of two. “We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange.”
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:20 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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I dont believe in hunting predators or game for sport, but whats the difference between eating the meat from a cow that came from a ranch and eating meat that came from a wild abundant source like deer. Both animals had to die to get on your plate. You are leaving some gaping holes in your argument. You should have stayed on point with your argument about the Lion. You were okay there
I haven't left my argument about the lion. You're associating responses to my posts with me. I haven't addressed the farming of animals, whether it's intentional or not as with deer.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:22 pm to WonderWartHawg
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By and large, Zimbabwe folks DGAF.
How does that affect any argument against trophy hunting?
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:23 pm to Kentucker
I realize Kentucker is just trolling and doesn't believe a word of the crap he is spewing, but here goes, anyway:
What the animal rights nuts and anti-hunting fringe will never admit is, without trophy hunters the lions in Africa would be killed off much quicker. Sportsmen are not going to decimate the resource the derive so much enjoyment from hunting. Never mind the massive economic boost rich hunters bring to that area.
No one has done more for wetlands preservation and habitat at protection for migratory waterfowl than duck hunters in the United States. Not the limousine liberals. Not the trust-fund protesters. Duck hunters. Why? Because hunters want to continue to enjoy the sport.
If what this dentist is alleged to have done is accurate, no group will come down harder on him than fellow hunters.
What the animal rights nuts and anti-hunting fringe will never admit is, without trophy hunters the lions in Africa would be killed off much quicker. Sportsmen are not going to decimate the resource the derive so much enjoyment from hunting. Never mind the massive economic boost rich hunters bring to that area.
No one has done more for wetlands preservation and habitat at protection for migratory waterfowl than duck hunters in the United States. Not the limousine liberals. Not the trust-fund protesters. Duck hunters. Why? Because hunters want to continue to enjoy the sport.
If what this dentist is alleged to have done is accurate, no group will come down harder on him than fellow hunters.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:31 pm to SoFla Tideroller
All of that is irrelevant.
Doing something good doesn't give you a free pass.
Doing something good doesn't give you a free pass.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:31 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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I realize Kentucker is just trolling and doesn't believe a word of the crap he is spewing, but here goes, anyway:
You frickers on this board don't talk enough about science so I have to pick up some debate points somehow, don't I?
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What the animal rights nuts and anti-hunting fringe will never admit is, without trophy hunters the lions in Africa would be killed off much quicker.
Dropping from 200,000 to 30,000 in 100 years is pretty quick, don't you think? At the current pace of lion deaths due to organized trophy hunting alone (600/year), extinction will come within 50 years. Poaching, such as with the dentist, will accelerate that timetable to 25-30 years.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:34 pm to Hog Leg
He's a coward like most other trophy hunters, but people need to let this go. I mean these are the type of guys that won't fight without a firearm, or an insurmountable advantage, so they're to be pitied for their chicken shite nature. Everyone would like to kick him in the head, but enough is enough, Cecil is gone. Let's move on.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:36 pm to Reservoir dawg
Oh, okay. Moving on.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:43 pm to Reservoir dawg
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won't fight without a firearm,
He was bow hunting.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 7:10 pm to WonderWartHawg
While at least having guides with rifles present. No one is going to hunt a lion with bow and arrow without the security of a rifle handy, and a vehicle to climb into.
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