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re: Birmingham City Council votes to increase minimum wage to $10.10
Posted on 2/24/16 at 6:32 pm to Year of the Dragon
Posted on 2/24/16 at 6:32 pm to Year of the Dragon
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What is wrong with paying people a living wage for jobs none of us would want to perform? $7.25 is not a living wage in today's world. If you think you can survive on that I wish you the best of luck.
Because if you have any skills at all, you aren't making 7.25 an hour already. What skilled employee is making bare minimum wage? Show me one and I will show you someone that should look for another job. I'm in construction and I have a wage scale I have to go by in each job. I have been starting guys out at 10 an hour for about 2 or 3 years and I still get some terrible fricking people.
The truth is that people are getting lazier by the day and feel more entitled to more by the day.
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 6:44 pm to Warfarer
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What skilled employee is making bare minimum wage? Show me one and I will show you someone that should look for another job.
There are a lot of them in rural areas where the "skilled" jobs are scarce. They don't have the means to move or go back to school, etc.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 7:10 pm to BowlJackson
If only there had been other cities that had raised their minimum wage. If only there had been economic impact studies done by both academic and government economic departments. If only there was some kind of internet search tool one could use to find these studies. If only people on the rant had the reading comprehension abilities to read these studies.
If only
If only
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:55 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:frick them, you shouldn't have fricking kids with min. wage.
Probably because you can survive on $7.25 an hour with a roommate in most of Alabama or the Deep South.
What about people who have a child to take care of?
Its fricking irresponsible and stupid to have kids when making min. wage. In fact if you are older than 22 and working a job that is min wage you should probably kill yourself to do the world a favor. Min wage is for no skill work. All of this raise min wage to a stupid number is insane.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 8:59 pm to cas4t
quote:Lesson here is don't get a master in a worthless field. A management major getting a masters in management deserves nothing other than dog shite they will work for.
So you think $13 an hour for someone with a masters is a fair wage? I think you're on the wrong side of this argument.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:25 pm to pvilleguru
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What happens if it was a teenager who was never taught about contraception?
Government mandated abortion.
I'm a Republican, and I've never understood the Republican party's stance on abortion.
Birth control ought to not only be free, it ought to be mandatory until age 18. And we should give free abortions to anyone who wants one.
Would solve a LOT of problems before they ever got started, so to speak.
This one has baffled me for years.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:29 pm to heartbreakTiger
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frick them, you shouldn't have fricking kids with min. wage.
Its fricking irresponsible and stupid to have kids when making min. wage. In fact if you are older than 22 and working a job that is min wage you should probably kill yourself to do the world a favor. Min wage is for no skill work. All of this raise min wage to a stupid number is insane.
this is pretty much the correct answer. Unfortunately, at least 50% of the population thinks the other 50% owes them something. And they vote in idiots that agree with them.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:48 pm to five_fivesix
The min wage debates are so stupid. Anyone that compares min wage to something that should be livable doesn't understand simple concepts. IMO America has gotten lazy and fat. It is entirely possible to change your life here if you actually give a frick and try.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:31 pm to heartbreakTiger
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Anyone that compares min wage to something that should be livable doesn't understand simple concepts.
What simple concepts are you referencing?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:57 pm to heartbreakTiger
absolutely. People should have to work but still be homeless, and then homelessness should be handled with vagrancy laws, and if they can't pay their bills that should be against the law, and then we can throw them in prison where they don't work but can eat and not be homeless,
and the prison budget in most states should be bigger than the education budget
merica
and the prison budget in most states should be bigger than the education budget
merica
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:02 pm to Warfarer
The franchises pay by zip code.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:20 pm to Warfarer
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Because if you have any skills at all, you aren't making 7.25 an hour already. What skilled employee is making bare minimum wage? Show me one and I will show you someone that should look for another job. I'm in construction and I have a wage scale I have to go by in each job. I have been starting guys out at 10 an hour for about 2 or 3 years and I still get some terrible fricking people.
The truth is that people are getting lazier by the day and feel more entitled to more by the day.
Once again.... How many good paying skilled jobs are out there? People working 40 hours a week should not be living in poverty. The cost of pretty much everything has gone up. It is not like they are not trying to be productive citizens. I'm thankful there are people who want to work at low paying unskilled jobs. They are a viable part of our economy and should at least be given the right to live a decent life. UAB, the largest employer in the state of Alabama, with 23,000 employees, raised their minimum wage to $11/hour. That is more than what the City of Birmingham is proposing. I'd imagine if UAB, who has more employees than anyone else in the state can do it, why won't everyone else? UAB did it because they know it's the right thing to do. UAB knows that more money in the pockets of Birmingham employees is good for the city and ultimately themselves.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 10:28 am
Posted on 2/25/16 at 7:49 am to Year of the Dragon
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The cost of pretty much everything has gone up.
And when you arbitrarily increase the cost of labor, those prices go up even more.
Inflation, how does it work?
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 7:50 am
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:06 am to Henry Jones Jr
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What about people who have a child to take care of?
IF a person making minimum wage ($15,000 a year) has children, then that person would receive upwards of $5,000 at tax time. This person would pay 0 taxes and receive close to $5,000 from the government.
I can't know this for a fact, but I believe that most (especially in the south) could afford to live off of minimum wage. They just wouldn't be able to afford luxuries such as a car, cell phone, internet & cable, going out to eat.
None of those things are essential to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness therefore I don't think there should be any right for someone to afford them.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:17 am to No Colors
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I've never understood the Republican party's stance on abortion.
I really isn't that hard to understand. A great number of us have a problem with murdering babies.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:33 am to BowlJackson
Woo I might be moving there next year and looking for a job
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:33 am to JustGetItRight
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I really isn't that hard to understand. A great number of us have a problem with murdering babies.
Well, you've got two options here.
1) encourage young, unwed mothers -- by whatever means necessary and available -- to not have children they don't want and can't raise. Or,
2) spend a lifetime paying for crime, drug addiction, incarceration, medical care, food stamps, lawsuits, legal bills, and having to live in fear of a thug culture that's constantly following you around.
The problem with the Republican position -- and I'm a Republican -- is that the party will do neither.
It's against free contraception in schools. It's against abortion. But it doesn't want to pay for the enormous govt resources necessary to handle the inevitable result of these policies.
It. Makes. No. Sense.
You can't have it both ways.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:46 am to OMapologist
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I can't know this for a fact, but I believe that most (especially in the south) could afford to live off of minimum wage. They just wouldn't be able to afford luxuries such as a car, cell phone, internet & cable, going out to eat.
In a perfect world, some could. Reality is very different though. And let's face it, if an adult is relying on just one full time minimum wage job to survive, they are most likely on public assistance of some kind, so they're even more vilified. Reality also is that most of the minimum wage jobs are part time jobs, so a lot of them are working 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs to survive. That usually leaves little time to acquire more specialized skills for a better job, if they're even living in an area with any demand for specialized labor.
It's easy to sit in our middle class ivory tower where we've lived a life of ample opportunity and cast judgment on how these people should be living their life. But that ignores the realities of their life. They're labeled lazy freeloaders for being on public assistance, then deemed unworthy of making a living wage because they can only find gainful employment at a minimum wage job. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Are there some that are lazy and scam the system? Absolutely. But we shouldn't toss the baby out with the bathwater just because some abuse the system. The vast majority of them are trying to make a better life for themselves with the hand they've been dealt. A hand with less opportunity as some have been dealt.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:55 am to No Colors
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You can't have it both ways.
I can most certainly have it a way that doesn't involve murdering babies.
I'm sure you'll also support simply killing off our old people too since Medicare and Social Security are costing us so much.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:25 am to The Spleen
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I can't know this for a fact, but I believe that most (especially in the south) could afford to live off of minimum wage. They just wouldn't be able to afford luxuries such as a car, cell phone, internet & cable, going out to eat.
In a perfect world, some could. Reality is very different though. And let's face it, if an adult is relying on just one full time minimum wage job to survive, they are most likely on public assistance of some kind, so they're even more vilified. Reality also is that most of the minimum wage jobs are part time jobs, so a lot of them are working 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs to survive. That usually leaves little time to acquire more specialized skills for a better job, if they're even living in an area with any demand for specialized labor.
It's easy to sit in our middle class ivory tower where we've lived a life of ample opportunity and cast judgment on how these people should be living their life. But that ignores the realities of their life. They're labeled lazy freeloaders for being on public assistance, then deemed unworthy of making a living wage because they can only find gainful employment at a minimum wage job. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Are there some that are lazy and scam the system? Absolutely. But we shouldn't toss the baby out with the bathwater just because some abuse the system. The vast majority of them are trying to make a better life for themselves with the hand they've been dealt. A hand with less opportunity as some have been dealt.
This. Well said my man.
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