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re: Bill introduced in Alabama Legislature to restructure UA BoT
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:01 pm to bamamonty
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:01 pm to bamamonty
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As API, they really don't have a dog in this fight. Hell, your own atheletic department is in the red. Your system to not be viable financially. Here your telling the University how to run its board. Seems to me, you need to get the crap off your own carpet, before you worry about anyone elses.
UAB football is in the red and financially defunct. They started out wanting to play on the main stage, when they should have been playing on lower levels in another NCAA division. You have to walk before you run. I'm surprised that you people down south at API didn't know that. Then again, expecting common sense from you guys, is just to much of a reach.
It's not even really about the football anymore at this point. It's the fact that the people in charge are actively undermining what's best for two schools in their system essentially just to make themselves look better.
Do you know how many college football programs make money? Not many. Just because Bama is one of the few that does doesn't mean they should rub their nose at a Univeristy that doesn't. Football is worth the money spent for most colleges. It improves the identity of college, broadens it's profile and appeal, and vastly improves the student experience.
You can't make money without spending money. It's next to impossible to succes without the right tools, and UAB was constantly denied the tools to succeed. Don't approve a coach that's all but paid for. Don't approve a stadium that's all but paid for. Don't approve facilities that are all but paid for. UAB has worse facilities than Hoover HS and was never allowed to upgrade. How are you supposed to win with that? You create an atmosphere for failure and then act surprised when it fails.
And UAB did not start off on the big stage. UAB football started off as a club sport. Then D3, then 1-AA before finally moving up. You only keep a school with a 1-A enrollment that's already been successful in other sports at that level away from 1-A for so long
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Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:12 pm to BowlJackson
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You can't make money without spending money. It's next to impossible to succes without the right tools, and UAB was constantly denied the tools to succeed. Don't approve a coach that's all but paid for. Don't approve a stadium that's all but paid for. Don't approve facilities that are all but paid for.
This is bullshite of the highest order. The UAB athletic department is poorer than Auburn and not one shred of proof has ever been brought forward that indicates those projects ever had more than handshake promises for donations.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:18 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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Auburn
I think we're going by API in this thread.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:28 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
The handshakes have never been given an opportunity to became anything more than just that.
Attendance was up big time for football this season. That was in a 6-6 season. Because for the first time we had a good coach and there was obvious signs of progress and hope for the future.
Attendance was up big time for football this season. That was in a 6-6 season. Because for the first time we had a good coach and there was obvious signs of progress and hope for the future.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:49 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
Would you write a check for something you weren't guaranteed to see? The last time UAB put together a proposal for a stadium the BOT refused to even hear it. The people from UAB showed up to the meeting and weren't even acknowledged
Posted on 3/20/15 at 12:53 pm to BowlJackson
If UAB athletics had even a fraction of the financial backing you pretend they do, the program wouldn't be dead right now.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 1:17 pm to BowlJackson
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It's not even really about the football anymore at this point. It's the fact that the people in charge are actively undermining what's best for two schools in their system essentially just to make themselves look better.
Of course its about football thats all you talk about. Not sure how throwing away millions on a football program few care about is best for anyone. Lastly if this was to make ppl look better, how is that working out?
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Do you know how many college football programs make money? Not many.
Do you know how many of my neighbors owe thousands in credit card debt? Lots of them. Doesn't mean I should do it
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Football is worth the money spent for most colleges. It improves the identity of college, broadens it's profile and appeal, and vastly improves the student experience.
This is laughable. Having your name appear on the crawler on ESPN does not improve your identity and there was basically no student support in 20 years. UT Arlington does not have football yet they are a higher ranked and bigger school than UAB
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You can't make money without spending money. It's next to impossible to succes without the right tools, and UAB was constantly denied the tools to succeed. Don't approve a coach that's all but paid for. Don't approve a stadium that's all but paid for. Don't approve facilities that are all but paid for. UAB has worse facilities than Hoover HS and was never allowed to upgrade. How are you supposed to win with that? You create an atmosphere for failure and then act surprised when it fails.
That is a flat out lie that the facilities were all but paid for. They were going to have to borrow $75 million to pay for that stadium. Do you know how many schools don't have on campus stadiums? Are they all being denied by a board of trustees? South Alabama does not have one and there are zero plans to build one.
Tulane just built a brand new on campus stadium last year. Their already abysmal attendance went up 2,000 people.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 1:54 pm to StopRobot
Borrow money that was already pledged by private donors. Not sure if you guys understand how this works or not but you can't just drop off a check on the coaches desk and say build me a stadium. This kind of stuff has to be approved, and UAB never had a chance because the BOT wouldn't even listen to them.
UAB has a very wealthy alumni base, so not sure why you doubt they could get money. Remember how young of a school UAB is. They have very wealthy alumni, but the base is still small. The oldest UAB alumni have barely reached retirement age. 20 years ago when the football program started they had even fewer alumni and they were all still working. As time goes on and they produce more alumni, many of whom are very successful, the support will only grow.
Not to mention UAB also has the support of some very powerful business people around birmingham that wanted to help back the stadium, who have no connection to UAB other than wanting what's best for the city.
UAB has a very wealthy alumni base, so not sure why you doubt they could get money. Remember how young of a school UAB is. They have very wealthy alumni, but the base is still small. The oldest UAB alumni have barely reached retirement age. 20 years ago when the football program started they had even fewer alumni and they were all still working. As time goes on and they produce more alumni, many of whom are very successful, the support will only grow.
Not to mention UAB also has the support of some very powerful business people around birmingham that wanted to help back the stadium, who have no connection to UAB other than wanting what's best for the city.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 2:13 pm to higgs_boson
What the heck does this have to do with the SEC. RA for OTB
Posted on 3/20/15 at 2:14 pm to BowlJackson
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Borrow money that was already pledged by private donors. Not sure if you guys understand how this works or not but you can't just drop off a check on the coaches desk and say build me a stadium. This kind of stuff has to be approved, and UAB never had a chance because the BOT wouldn't even listen to them.
Sir you really need to get your facts correct if you are going to discuss this. The UA system was going to issue a $75 million dollar bond to pay for the stadium. The only pledges, of which there was not a list released mind you, was for luxury boxes which would have covered about $3.5 million of the stadium cost.
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UAB has a very wealthy alumni base, so not sure why you doubt they could get money.
Well first off not sure where you are getting the first part of that statement except out your arse and the why I doubt? Because for 20 years no one went to those games.
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 3/20/15 at 2:34 pm to StopRobot
What does the University of Alabama BOT have to do with the SEC? 
For the better part of 20 years I don't think UAB had enough alumni in existence to fill Legion Field. According to their alumni society's website UAB only now has 118,000 living alumni spread across the world. UABs most successful alumni are the type of who people who are more likely to help pay for a stadium so they can have a suite than they are to go to Legion Field for a game. And by the way, yes UAB had buyers for every suite planned for their stadium
For the better part of 20 years I don't think UAB had enough alumni in existence to fill Legion Field. According to their alumni society's website UAB only now has 118,000 living alumni spread across the world. UABs most successful alumni are the type of who people who are more likely to help pay for a stadium so they can have a suite than they are to go to Legion Field for a game. And by the way, yes UAB had buyers for every suite planned for their stadium
Posted on 3/20/15 at 2:34 pm to StopRobot
quote:How much money did the City of Birmingham pledge to that stadium? UAB is the larget asset the City of Birmingham has - they should have ponied up the lion's share of that staduim - kick in some cash for facility upgrades and they should've backed the marketing of the Blazer football program.
StopRobot
UAB alumni, students, faculty/staff, Blazer football fans, and more importantly the City of B'ham were apathetic to the football program for too damn long.
I suppose the City is still broke?
2011 Bankruptcy filing Jefferson County filed for bankruptcy on November 9, 2011. Valued at $4.2 billion, with debts of $3.14 billion relating to sewer work, this was at the time the most expensive municipal bankruptcy ever in the U.S., surpassed only by the Detroit bankruptcy filed in 2013.
This post was edited on 3/20/15 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 3/20/15 at 2:47 pm to BowlJackson
quote:A large part of the UAB alumni are also graduates of Alabama or Auburn - And a lot of them would rather be in Tuscaloosa or Auburn on Saturday's watching those teams play than watching the Blazers take the field.
What does the University of Alabama BOT have to do with the SEC? For the better part of 20 years I don't think UAB had enough alumni in existence to fill Legion Field. According to their alumni society's website UAB only now has 118,000 living alumni spread across the world. UABs most successful alumni are the type of who people who are more likely to help pay for a stadium so they can have a suite than they are to go to Legion Field for a game. And by the way, yes UAB had buyers for every suite planned for their stadium
My dentist is an AU/UAB grad - is a huge AU football fan who spends thousands each fall to set up a kick arse tailgate in Auburn on football Saturdays.
One of my fraternity brothers, is a UA/UAB grad -he's a doctor in a small town he owns a house on campus just for football weekends in Tuscaloosa. Said he never attended the first UAB sporting even while he was a UAB student and has no interest whatsoever now.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 2:58 pm to RT1941
It is too bad that law makers feel this warrants their attention. Maybe they should focus on their state instead of the cause di jour.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 2:59 pm to BowlJackson
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And by the way, yes UAB had buyers for every suite planned for their stadium
You said they had pledges to "virtually pay" for the stadium. I assume you looked it up and realized you were incorrect. Of course this glaring fact will make no difference in what you want to believe
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