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Bible Question - Genesis - Did Sarah Ruin Everything?

Posted on 1/22/19 at 4:18 pm
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 4:18 pm
Did Sarah totally ruin the world when she cast out Ishmael?

So Sarah and Abraham couldn't conceive a child. Sarah told Abraham to have a child with Hagar. He did. Sarah then hated that child. Once Sarah finally did have Isaac, she wanted Hagar and Ishmael cast out so that Isaac wouldn't have to share his inheritance.

It is believed that Mohammed is a descendant of Ishmael.

Is a large portion of conflict in the world over the last 1,000+ years due to Sarah's inability to accept the child her husband had with another woman at Sarah's request?
Posted by thatguy45
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 4:29 pm to
Going off of biblical accounts, it was Even that ruined everything via the introduction of sin.
Sara just made the middle East what it is today, with the very new concept of the Arab spring
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 4:31 pm to
But the Muslim and Jew conflict. All that could trace itself back to Sarah. If Ishmael stays part of the family, the Muslim religion never exists.
Posted by thatguy45
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 5:23 pm to
Well yes, if the biblical account is accurate Sara is responsible for the division in the middle east, creation of islam, etc. by first thinking hagar would be the way for Abraham to have a child, then reneging on that after having Isaac and forcing Ishmael and Hagar out. Understandably Ishmael's people did not view Sara's descendants as friends
I recall having this discussion years ago, and it is intriguing to think about, most Semitic culture comes from one source despite some of the sub groups hating each other.
Posted by KSGamecock
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 5:39 pm to
In my opinion Abraham ruined everything.
Posted by Sody Cracker
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 6:58 pm to
Sarah, get me Juanita down at the diner.
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:53 pm to
No. Adam and Eve did when they caused the Fall. Everything else is a product of that.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 9:00 pm
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 8:58 pm to
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Sarah told Abraham to have a child with Hagar. He did. Sarah then hated that child. Once Sarah finally did have Isaac, she wanted Hagar and Ishmael cast out so that Isaac wouldn't have to share his inheritance.



You need further proof that bitches be crazy?
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 8:58 pm
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:07 pm to
Well I spied me a girl and before she could leave
I said let's go play Adam and Eve
I took her by the hand and my heart was thumpin'
She said hey man, you crazy or something?
You seen what happened the last time they started
Posted by Tw1st3d
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:33 pm to
Sarah? Sarah did not help things by any stretch but you have to go back further.A guy named Ham, who was the least of the 3 sons. Tradition says that Ham stole Adam's garments from Noah after the flood. Hams passed them on to Cush. Cush passed them on to Nimrod. The Great-Grandson of Noah was the "king of the world" who married his mother, brought back the same sins and worship of idols from pre-flood. Nimrod is the top of the bloodline for most of the "gods" and evil in today's world. The many of the royal lines of Egypt come from Nimrod. Nimrod is also the guy behind the tower, kinda made a mess of everything in that. He is believed to be the most evil human of all times.
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One of the Pharohs of Egypt,according to Rabinical tradition, gave one of his daughters to Sarah as a handmaiden. That handmaiden, from the line of Nimrod, was Hagar. The majority of the Muslim world descend from Ham. This is also the line cursed by Noah because of their treachery. "Cursed be Canaan, a slave of slaves shall he be unto his brothers."
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All evil can be traced back to Eve's choice and Adams failure. It can also be traced back to Ham and his evil. Hagar, according to tradition remained faithful to Abraham and the God of Abraham even until her death. But her son, in part because of the actions of Sarah and Abraham added to the problem with the convergence of the line of Ishmael, the sons of Canaan, and the descendants of Nimrod.
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Plenty of blame to go around but the cause was disobedience.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 9:42 pm
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:00 pm to
quote:

did Saban ruin errthing?


Yes
Posted by jeffsdad
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 5:56 am to
Tw1st has good point with Ham. But I thought Ham was cursed because of him seeing his father naked. The curse resulted in all of Ham's descendents - mainly the Caananites being cursed.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 6:43 am to
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Sarah, get me Juanita down at the diner.




Juanita, Juanita, lovely dear Juanite
From your head down to your feet
There's nothing half so sweet
As Juanita, Juanita, lovely dear Juanite

Oh, there are things of wonder
of which men like to sing
There are pretty sunsets
and birds upon the wing

But of the joys of nature
none truly can compare
with Juanita, Juanita
she of beauty beyond compare

Juanita, Juanita, lovely dear Juanite
from your head down to your feet
there is nothing half so sweet
as beautiful Juanita, Juanita, Juanite
Posted by waiting4saturday
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 7:33 am to
What's Sarah's last name? Gonna look her up on facebook.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 9:18 am to
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Ham was cursed because of him seeing his father naked.


I do not know the specific reason for the curse of Ham. It is associated with the drunk/naked Noah scene, but I suspect the curse has more to do with his actions after seeing Noah rather than just seeing him. He brought shame upon his father in bringing others to see him as well but was there something more to it? Canaan was a brother of Cush.
This post was edited on 1/23/19 at 9:58 am
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 9:53 am to
Sons of Canaan - Lebanon, Syria, Palestinians
Sons of Canaan and Ishmael - Jordan, North and east Saudi Arabia down to about Mecca
Sons of Nimrod - Iraq and Iran
Sons of Nimrod, Ishmael, and Canaan - Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Somalia

All are sons of Ham and extended cousins of Abraham and his offspring from Sarah.
Posted by TheUSC
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:38 pm to
Adam and Eve has two sons. Dabo killed his brother. So, Dabo.
Posted by arcalades
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:07 pm to
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. If Ishmael stays part of the family, the Muslim religion never exists.
wrong. Satan is the father of Islam and all false religions, and Satan would have founded Islam and all the others one way or the other.
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All that could trace itself back to Sarah
As stated, it all goes back to Satan.
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:36 pm to
Posted by Arksulli
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 1:41 pm to
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wrong. Satan is the father of Islam and all false religions, and Satan would have founded Islam and all the others one way or the other.


Oh for frick's sake.

Islam is basically Christianity but they don't think JC was son of God. Saying its false is as so much fart gas.

But... let us assume that Islam is a false religion.

The Five Pillars of Islam are certainly hallmarks of Satan!

We have: There is no God but God. This is obviously Satanic.

Prayer. Praying five times a day is surely a sign of demonic influence.

Charity. Giving to the less fortunate. This one really pisses me off. We can all remember Jesus saying "frick the poor people, frick them. They deserve to suck it."

Fasting. To prove their faith Muslims fast one month. There is no Christian faith, other then all of them, that has ever followed this belief. Satan is at work once again!

Hajj. Traveling during your life to a holy place. Here we have a clear cut advantage over those Satanic Muslim fricks. No Christian has ever traveled to a religious site to become closer to God.

I have changed my mind. You have convinced me of the evil of the Muslims all over the world! They believe in God, charity, and prayer!

These are the most evil people in the world.

They should follow our path. Pedophilia, gross material wealth gathered in the name of God, and despising those less fortunate then you.

I am converted! Praise you Arcalades, you have shown me the light!


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