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re: Auburn fans, just heard the news about Omar Hammami
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:32 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:32 pm to Stonehog
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How did you feel about Truman dropping nukes on innocent children?
R. McNamara stated that they all could have been labeled war criminals in the "Fog of war" with the fire bombings of Japan, but that he'd take that label if it meant saving GI lives. Wish he took that mindset in the other war he participated in.
That's neither here nor there.
This post was edited on 11/26/13 at 12:36 pm
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:33 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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I said the USA is a bunch of hypocritical monsters for murdering people outside the scope of war.
Welcome to real life. Ever heard of Kosovo? Beirut?
This isn't some new phenomenon.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:35 pm to Stonehog
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It was terrible, but it ended the war. Sometimes the ends justify the means, even if the means don't make us feel warm and fuzzy.
Japan was already about to surrender, Truman knew this and still used the bomb
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:36 pm to blacknblu
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It wasn't a "death missile" - It was a "hey, 'sup" missile. Now he knows 'sup
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:36 pm to Stonehog
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Welcome to real life. Ever heard of Kosovo? Beirut?
Got it.
Murders are okay as long as other people in the past have murdered too, right?
Because if so then you are either a coward to confront the issue or you really are okay with killing children in the Middle East?
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:37 pm to beaver
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Japan was already about to surrender,
Don't think so, in fact I think every civilian was trained and highly motivated to fight to the death if the US stepped foot on the Jap mainland.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:38 pm to Buck2Lindsay
then you'd be wrong Firebombing of Tokyo was already effective and killed way more people than the nuke(s)
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:39 pm to beaver
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Japan was already about to surrender, Truman knew this and still used the bomb
bullshite, he thought they would surrender after the first one and they didn't.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:40 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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Murders are okay as long as other people in the past have murdered too, right?
Calling it murder shows your preconceived bias.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:43 pm to Stonehog
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Calling it murder shows your preconceived bias.
I think denying your bias is seen as bias.
After all it isn't murder if its war, right?
The USA is guilty of warcrimes in the Middle East regions and the best defense I've heard is "ends justify means" and "other people murder in past".
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:43 pm to Stonehog
No the only thing keeping Japan from surrendering was they wanted to keep the Emperor
America had broken Japan's codes and knew this
Source: I just finished reading American Prometheus
ETA dropping the bomb was about showing power to Russia, not about defeating Japan
America had broken Japan's codes and knew this
Source: I just finished reading American Prometheus
ETA dropping the bomb was about showing power to Russia, not about defeating Japan
This post was edited on 11/26/13 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:44 pm to MagicCityBlazer
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The USA is guilty of warcrimes in the Middle East regions
What specific war crimes is the US guilty of?
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:46 pm to Stonehog
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What specific war crimes is the US guilty of?
USA kills more civilians that it wants to admit
Here is a woman mourning her dead children
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:49 pm to MagicCityBlazer
Civilian deaths are not war crimes.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:49 pm to beaver
"A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that conquering Japan would cost 1.7–4 million American casualties, including 400,000–800,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities. The key assumption was large-scale participation by civilians in the defense of Japan"
In addition, the Japanese had organized the Patriotic Citizens Fighting Corps, which included all healthy men aged 15 to 60 and women 17 to 40 for a total of 28 million people, for combat support and, later, combat jobs. Weapons, training, and uniforms were generally lacking: some men were armed with nothing better than muzzle-loading muskets, longbows, or bamboo spears; nevertheless, they were expected to make do with what they had.[26
Fanatics
In addition, the Japanese had organized the Patriotic Citizens Fighting Corps, which included all healthy men aged 15 to 60 and women 17 to 40 for a total of 28 million people, for combat support and, later, combat jobs. Weapons, training, and uniforms were generally lacking: some men were armed with nothing better than muzzle-loading muskets, longbows, or bamboo spears; nevertheless, they were expected to make do with what they had.[26
Fanatics
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:50 pm to Stonehog
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Civilian deaths are not war crimes.
Not in war. But to kill them in Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, etc with a robot outside the scope of war is just plain murder.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:53 pm to Buck2Lindsay
Ok...and that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Japan was already negotiating a surrender with Russia
ETA and ready to surrender to the US...I can look up something irrelevant on Wikipedia too, but instead I read books about history, specifically WWII
ETA and ready to surrender to the US...I can look up something irrelevant on Wikipedia too, but instead I read books about history, specifically WWII
This post was edited on 11/26/13 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:54 pm to Stonehog
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What specific war crimes is the US guilty of?
Can't be serious... Can't be.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:54 pm to reggierayreb
List them then, should be easy.
Posted on 11/26/13 at 12:57 pm to beaver
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up something irrelevant
Irrelevent? I suggest you read more books on the subject opposed to forming an opinion based on one.
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