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re: Am I overreacting?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:03 am to Hogwarts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:03 am to Hogwarts
quote:We’ve said this tongue and cheek, but the grandparents are legitimately concerned they won’t see their grandson until then. If they had quarantined properly, I would be okay if they visited but I know they didn’t.
10 week old? Shoot I wouldn’t go out until 2021 if we had a baby.
Fortunately/unfortunately, I majored in microbiology and took 3 semesters of virology. So I understand the transmission, virulence, epidemiology, etc of viruses. The onus has been put on me to decide how we handle our interactions. Flu season is already sketchy for infants. Throw in a novel virus that no one has an innate immunity to, it makes for uneasy times.
Several of my college friend went on to the CDC. Some of the raw data they’ve shared with me is concerning. While the mortality rate has been curbed by the measures put in place, those that have recovered from COVID19 aren’t completely out of the woods yet. All patients that have been hospitalized should be concerned about the long term effects to their organs (primarily lungs). Children under 1 & women that are pregnant should be treated as the elderly.
I hate being the ‘bad guy’ in my family right now, but it’s just not worth the risk in our situation. Hopefully the warmer weather will help everyone fend off this year’s flu viruses and this SARS.
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 8:03 am to The Nino
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Several of my college friend went on to the CDC. Some of the raw data they’ve shared with me is concerning. While the mortality rate has been curbed by the measures put in place, those that have recovered from COVID19 aren’t completely out of the woods yet. All patients that have been hospitalized should be concerned about the long term effects to their organs (primarily lungs). Children under 1 & women that are pregnant should be treated as the elderly.
I heard something similar from the director of oncology at one of Bham's medical centers, except just about the heart; those recovered with any kind of heart issues will have negative consequences and issues for the rest of their lives based on what she told me (and she is irritated that this is not being reported)
outside of this thread, I have seen nothing that indicated children have anything to worry about & that is the 1st comment I have heard about pregnant women anywhere
I'd love to see more on that, are there any articles or stories you can link, or is this mostly stuff you are getting from people you know in the field?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:20 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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However, we need to remember that both the "Do nothing" curve and the "Flattened" curve have the same number of infections under each curve. The point of flattening the curve was to buy time to prepare and to not overwhelm the system, not to prevent everyone from getting the virus.
Reducing hospitalizations from the level NYC just experienced was the main point of flattening the curve.
However, the other point about flattening the curve was that the "preparation" you mention included hopefully coming up with more effective treatments to lower the death toll of those that were hospitalized.
The point being that less infections may not happen over time but people infected in July would stand a significantly higher chance of being treated more effectively than those infected in April.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:22 pm to dcbl
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I have seen nothing that shows that children are in danger
could you link this study?
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However, we found that the proportion of severe and critical cases was 10.6%, 7.3%, 4.2%, 4.1%
and 3.0% for the age group of ?1, 1-5, 6-10, 11-15 and >15 years, respectively. These results
suggest that young children, particularly infants, were vulnerable to 2019-nCoV infection.
10.6% of cases in infants under 1 year progressed to severe or critical stages.
7.3% of cases in children 1-5 progressed to severe or critical stages.
Link to study on the American Academy of Pediatrics site:
LINK
Posted on 5/5/20 at 9:20 pm to Krampus
ok, thanks
that changes my mind about the seriousness to that group for damn sure, I am inclined to trust Nino anyway, but I did want to see something on it as well
it does not change my mind about getting the economy back up and running or about infringement of our civil liberties
that changes my mind about the seriousness to that group for damn sure, I am inclined to trust Nino anyway, but I did want to see something on it as well
it does not change my mind about getting the economy back up and running or about infringement of our civil liberties
Posted on 5/6/20 at 3:08 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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being away from society and going full on with hand sanitizer and masks lowers your immune system taking in viruses and defeating them w/our immune system is science
This is correct but they shouldn't be making fun of you. problem is this virus is not going any where. Are yall going to shelter when this happens again? All you do by sheltering in place is kick the can down the road.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 11:03 pm to Clark14
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You aren't alone.Though we aren't on shutdown,people I see out there are wearing masks and keeping their distance.Not all are wearing masks,but many are
Think that’s the case most everywhere but people on these boards act like nobody is using any precautions
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:17 pm to Hogwarts
How old are you & your family? Do you have any co-morbidities?
If you are young (ie in your 30’s/40’s) and healthy then you likely have very slim chances of developing a severe case. In regards to your daughter, I think I read the CDC said only 5 teens have passed due to the virus. That is 5 out of millions.
If you are young (ie in your 30’s/40’s) and healthy then you likely have very slim chances of developing a severe case. In regards to your daughter, I think I read the CDC said only 5 teens have passed due to the virus. That is 5 out of millions.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:22 pm to Hogwarts
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10 week old? Shoot I wouldn’t go out until 2021 if we had a baby.
Based upon what clinical information?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:23 pm to Krampus
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The initial reports about kids being in the clear from this virus has only been proven partially correct. Young children, infants in particular, are a high-risk group just like the elderly. A study came out showing that infants under 1 year have about a 12% chance of requiring hospitalization and breathing assistance. Kids 1-4 were about 7-8% hospitalization rate if I recall correctly.
A 12% chance of seeing my infant daughter struggle to breath is not a chance I'm willing to take if I can help it.
If other feel differently that's up to them to evaluate their family's risk factors, but it takes a real dick to actively disparage anyone else for doing what think is right to take care of their family right now. If you know people like that, they aren't worth listening to.
I would like to see this study. Based upon all the other reports this is a huge outlier.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 1:28 pm to Krampus
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Krampus
I am not going to trust anything coming out of China right about now. Especially since China is trying to take advantage of this situation. Give me a paper from the EU or US and I will believe it.
Edit: if you can prove that the authors suddenly disappeared I would be more likely to believe it.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 1:30 pm
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