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Posted on 3/25/14 at 3:37 pm to Wtodd
As long as they wait until after June 1st. I don't want to get a passport for my trip to Anchorage in May.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 3:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
That's a nice anecdote but census data puts the Russian-American population of Alaska at just over 1%.
Let's look at some of the larger cities in your state:
There are way more Russians in other areas of the US:
Also, your quote doesn't actually show that there are "a lot" of ethnic Russians. It just explains some elements of Russian culture found in Alaska, in particular those portions adopted by the native population. "Orthodox Inuit" does not equal "ethnic Russian"
Asserting that there are "a lot of people in Alaska with Russian heritage" as some kind of explanation for the petition is weak because there simply aren't "a lot" of ethnic Russians in Alaska. They are a small group constituting a small percent of the population of the state, there are way more Russians in other parts of the country.
Let's look at some of the larger cities in your state:
There are way more Russians in other areas of the US:
Also, your quote doesn't actually show that there are "a lot" of ethnic Russians. It just explains some elements of Russian culture found in Alaska, in particular those portions adopted by the native population. "Orthodox Inuit" does not equal "ethnic Russian"
Asserting that there are "a lot of people in Alaska with Russian heritage" as some kind of explanation for the petition is weak because there simply aren't "a lot" of ethnic Russians in Alaska. They are a small group constituting a small percent of the population of the state, there are way more Russians in other parts of the country.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 3:43 pm to KSGamecock
Uh oh, looks like Roger got Shrubbered.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 3:49 pm to KSGamecock
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Asserting that there are "a lot of people in Alaska with Russian heritage" as some kind of explanation for the petition is weak because there simply aren't "a lot" of ethnic Russians in Alaska.
Because there are. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Russian heritage permeates many communities in Alaska. There are several communities of "old believers" throughout the state, both Kodiak and Sitka are heavily influenced by RUssian heritage and many long time residents have names to back it up. There are Russian orthodox churches in over 80 communities, and many Aleuts have Russian names and are heavily influenced by Russian culture.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 3:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Is the Nome area heavily Russian?
Posted on 3/25/14 at 3:53 pm to OBReb6
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Is the Nome area heavily Russian?
Not really. Russians settled along the Southern (Southwest, Southeast) coast. Sitka is still known as "Russian Alaska" and Kodiak has heavy influence. Most of the influence though it through the Aleuts who interbred with Russians. The Russian Orthodox Church is still the primary church among Aleuts.
Nome is a mixture of mutts. Native and white.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 3:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Interesting. I thought Nome might have been given it's proximity to Russia.
Those population statistics posted above don't make much sense to me though unless it is just those two towns in particular don't have much of a Russian presence. Alaska had been a Russian possession for a long time, and you would think they had a lot of settlers that stuck around after the US purchase.
Those population statistics posted above don't make much sense to me though unless it is just those two towns in particular don't have much of a Russian presence. Alaska had been a Russian possession for a long time, and you would think they had a lot of settlers that stuck around after the US purchase.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 3:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The way I see it, those that sign the petition should have to forgo the check that they get every year from oil proceeds.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 4:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Because there are. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Russian heritage permeates many communities in Alaska. There are several communities of "old believers" throughout the state, both Kodiak and Sitka are heavily influenced by RUssian heritage and many long time residents have names to back it up. There are Russian orthodox churches in over 80 communities, and many Aleuts have Russian names and are heavily influenced by Russian culture.
I have facts, you have anecdotes. There simply aren't "a lot" of Russians in Alaska by anyone's measure. Way more Germans, English and Irish. Hell there are nearly as many French-Canadians in Alaska as there are ethnic Russians.
So abandoning that idea you go to the cultural argument like that would somehow explain this petition or the secessionist movement. I'm not sure how it does.
Millions of Americans enjoy beer and burgers, listen to Beethoven, Bach and Mozart, raise their kids on Grimm Brothers fairy tales and send them to kindergartens while attending protestant churches on Sundays...yet we still went to war with the Germans twice in the last century.
Cultural affinity doesn't explain this, or at least not on the face of it. If you can find something to show that these orthodox churches in Alaska are supporting the petition then maybe I'll change my mind but until then I don't buy it. The ethnic Russian argument is horseshite and the cultural ties argument is weak.
This post was edited on 3/25/14 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 3/25/14 at 4:03 pm to KSGamecock
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I have facts, you have anecdotes. There simply aren't "a lot" of Russians in Alaska by anyone's measure.
Your reading comprehension f'king sucks.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 4:03 pm to KSGamecock
I'm thinking a lot of that "other" portion of the population probably has the Aleut population that is basically the same as the Siberian Russians across the Bearing Strait.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 4:06 pm to OBReb6
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I'm thinking a lot of that "other" portion of the population probably has the Aleut population that is basically the same as the Siberian Russians across the Bearing Strait.
They're all related. Same physical features as well. Aleuts and Yupik are virtually the same as Siberian Yupik. All of the islands between Russia and Alaska as well as the Alaska Peninsula and much of the N.W. Arctic are inhabited by these people.
This post was edited on 3/25/14 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 3/25/14 at 4:07 pm to OBReb6
The real question is; does any part of Alaska have enough of an ethnic Russian or Russian speaking population for Putin to think he needs to come in and protect them? 
Posted on 3/25/14 at 4:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
My reading comprehension sucks? You're the one equating being Orthodox to being Russian. I guess all Catholics are Italian.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 4:09 pm to KSGamecock
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My reading comprehension sucks? You're the one equating being Orthodox to being Russian
Not sure if you're just truly stupid or trolling. quote:
. I guess all Catholics are Italian.
Ok, you're just stupid.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 4:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You said there are a lot of Russians in Alaska did you not? Back that up please. You still haven't.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 4:15 pm to KSGamecock
No. You seem incapable of understanding common english.
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1) There are a lot of people in Ak with Russian heritage.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 4:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
So explain what that has to do with the petition like I said a few posts ago.
Posted on 3/25/14 at 4:21 pm to KSGamecock
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So explain what that has to do with the petition like I said a few posts ago.
The problem is you didn't read the petition.
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Groups Siberian russians crossed the Isthmus (now the Bering Strait) 16-10 thousand years ago.
Russian began to settle on the Arctic coast, Aleuts inhabited the Aleutian Archipelago.
First visited Alaska August 21, 1732, members of the team boat "St. Gabriel »under the surveyor Gvozdev and assistant navigator I. Fedorov during the expedition Shestakov and DI Pavlutski 1729-1735 years
Vote for secession of Alaska from the United States and joining Russia
of the 23k who signed, most likely there are 20,000 from out of state, 2,000 Aleuts and a few hundred old believers.
I think most who signed the Texas petition were from outside of Texas as well.
This post was edited on 3/25/14 at 4:23 pm
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