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re: Al Sharpton on Clippers owner racist rant
Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:50 pm to KSGamecock
Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:50 pm to KSGamecock
Again,was there a rule broken or policy violated? If so,fine him.
If not ,and this is a response to popular opinion, then his rights are being violated.
If not ,and this is a response to popular opinion, then his rights are being violated.
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:51 pm to antibarner
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then his rights are being violated
what rights?
Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:53 pm to antibarner
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Again,was there a rule broken or policy violated? If so,fine him.
If not ,and this is a response to popular opinion, then his rights are being violated.
I'm not the man's lawyer so I don't have all his contracts handy but usually in these situations there are morality and brand protection clauses and the like that are made for exactly this kind of scenario. I can almost guarantee the NBA has these in place and will use them to censure Sterling.
When private citizens agree to a contract, break it somehow and face the consequences of that contract their constitutional rights are not being violated. If in my lease I agree to allow my landlord to conduct health and welfare inspections once a month and he does he is not violating my fourth amendment rights.
Private. fricking. Contract.
The same kind Sterling has with the NBA.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 4/28/14 at 7:07 pm to KSGamecock
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morality and brand protection clauses
ding ding
Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:16 pm to UMRealist
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6. Some outlets are jumping on this way to much and making it a bigger story than what it needs to be.
This is very true.
Y'all can't be surprised by this, can you?
This is how 24-hour news works. Just look at CNN covering the damn Malaysian airplane. Fifty years ago it would have been "yeah so a plane went missing and probably crashed into the ocean somewhere oh well pretty sad :(" whereas now we have what is essentially an entire channel dedicated to covering it.
Posted on 4/28/14 at 11:18 pm to antibarner
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I still oppose his right to free speech being abridged.
His. Rights. Are. Not. Being. Infringed. Upon.
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And they get fined for breaking team or league rules.
The league can fine him for whatever damn reason they please. What, are you going to infringe upon their freedom of association and right to run their business as they please?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:04 am to antibarner
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If not ,and this is a response to popular opinion, then his rights are being violated.
You really think this, don't you?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:08 am to antibarner
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Distasteful as it might be, the man is free to think and feel as he wishes to.
And the commissioner and owners are free to exercise every clause they can to protect their brand. You should be concerned about the rights of those that aren't the racists in this scenario.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 12:21 am to TeLeFaWx
I cant decide how I feel about this. On the one hand, I really dont think there is any place for opinions like Sterling's in the national spotlight of the NBA. On the other, I defend his right to hold those beliefs and the fact of the matter is that he clearly isnt using discriminatory hiring/firing tactics.
In the end, as repugnant as his views are, I think I agree with Mark Cuban who said that as long as he isnt hiring and firing people based on race he shouldnt be removed from an ownership position based on personal opinions. It sets a bad precedent that promotes group think.
In the end, as repugnant as his views are, I think I agree with Mark Cuban who said that as long as he isnt hiring and firing people based on race he shouldnt be removed from an ownership position based on personal opinions. It sets a bad precedent that promotes group think.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:02 am to Roger Klarvin
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On the other, I defend his right to hold those beliefs and the fact of the matter is that he clearly isnt using discriminatory hiring/firing tactics.
Well. He has been sued for not renting real estate to minorities.
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In the end, as repugnant as his views are, I think I agree with Mark Cuban who said that as long as he isnt hiring and firing people based on race he shouldnt be removed from an ownership position based on personal opinions. It sets a bad precedent that promotes group think.
The precedent is dangerous, I agree. Still want him gone somehow. If there isn't a morality clause somewhere in their bylaws, they need to get that in there ASAP.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:08 am to TeLeFaWx
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Still want him gone somehow. If there isn't a morality clause somewhere in their bylaws, they need to get that in there ASAP
Time may handle that one. The dude looks ancient.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:21 am to TeLeFaWx
Morality clauses are also problematic as they reflect only the morality of the person or group writing the contract. Moreover, one could easily argue that having racist beliefs is not in and of itself immoral just as constantly lusting after women other than your wife isnt inherently immoral if not acted upon.
As long as the most racist thing he does is say stupid shite, I just cant say I think the NBA is justified in removing him.
As long as the most racist thing he does is say stupid shite, I just cant say I think the NBA is justified in removing him.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:40 am to Roger Klarvin
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On the one hand, I really dont think there is any place for opinions like Sterling's in the national spotlight of the NBA. On the other, I defend his right to hold those beliefs and the fact of the matter is that he clearly isnt using discriminatory hiring/firing tactics.
These aren't mutually exclusive ideas.
I too believe he has the right to feel and say how the feels on this issue. I also feel that the NBA has the right to protect their brand and image if they feel he is damaging to it.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:01 am to tduecen
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Does that mean Jay Z has to give up his ownership rights as well for using the N word?
In the real world it would. But not in Al's Fantasy Land.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:05 am to DCRebel
If there is a contract clause, published league policy or rule he violated ,then by all means fine suspend or whatever.
If there is NOT, and they try to do it because of political pressure then his rights are being violated.
If there is NOT, and they try to do it because of political pressure then his rights are being violated.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:15 am to antibarner
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there is a contract clause, published league policy or rule he violated ,then by all means fine suspend or whatever.
If there is NOT, and they try to do it because of political pressure then his rights are being violated.
Political pressure being the operative word. With this administration, it will happen.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:48 am to antibarner
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If there is NOT, and they try to do it because of political pressure then his rights are being violated.
I disagree. I think as an organization the NBA should be able to do whatever they want so long as it's not breaching some sort of contract or agreement they have.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:14 pm to DCRebel
(WMC) – Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling has been suspended indefinitely. He will also have to pay a $5 million fine after an NBA investigation into racist remarks he allegedly made during an argument with his girlfriend.
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:16 pm to UMTigerRebel
Damn that's exactly what I said. Where did you see that though? The press conference just started.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 1:16 pm to UMTigerRebel
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$5 million fine
Damn that's a lot of money.
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