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A Question About Spacefaring Species

Posted on 4/21/19 at 9:49 am
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 9:49 am
I'm curious as to what people here may think about what would happen to a species that had developed interstellar flight in regards to their home world.

I saw someone did the math at one point that said if we took off in a spaceship headed for the center of our galaxy accelerating at a comfortable 1G, we would approach the speed of light in roughly 1 year. At which point, time, from your perspective, hits a standstill. So you fly to the center of the galaxy and turn around and come back.

Anyone in the craft will have aged 1 year while something insane like 20,000 years will have passed here on Earth. Everyone you know will have been long dead.

So it seems to me that those people basically wouldn't have a home to return to. If you leave Earth, you become a nomad.

It gets all sorts of complicated. I would imagine that any said Spacefaring civilization would have several planets they stop over for supplies and whatnot. The interesting part is that the "aliens" may only be away from those planets for a short time from their perspective, while thousands of years pass from our perspective.
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 10:40 am to
What’s the question?

We’re about 26,000 light years from the galaxy’s center so going there would be a 52,000 year round trip at the speed of light. Of course, only massless particles can achieve light speed. So, our trip would certainly be longer.

Constant acceleration at 1g would make for a comfortable ride, yes, but the amount of energy needed to maintain that velocity would be incredible, and it would increase exponentially the closer we got to light speed.

Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 10:52 am to
My question is what you think life would be like for an interstellar species. Do I have it right? They would be nomads, wouldn't they? They wouldn't even really have a home world to speak of.

For instance, mankind most likely will not wait to develop FTL travel before sending people off into the stars. Hell, we have probably already sent people out there. So, going into it, they know it's a one way trip, right?

ETA: Seems to me this would be pretty much how it plays out.

1. Governments keep secrets for good reasons. One of which, eventually, is interstellar spaceflight.

2. Governments send people out in interstellar spacecraft just to see if it's possible.

3. Those people are gone forever. They are now timelords essentially. They can't go home because everyone's dead and gone.

4. When they stop by some planet with people like us on it, they are most likely just stocking up on supplies and whatnot, but teaching people how to farm and built cities while they're here.

5. They tell them they'll be back. But the thing is, from an Earthly perspective that return trip may not come for like 20,000 years or some shite while the people who were looking for rare Earth metals may have only been gone for like a year.
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 11:00 am
Posted by finestfirst79
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:14 pm to
You've ignored Kentucker's good points that make these questions moot.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:20 pm to
No I haven't.

These things are not impossible. They're just a little outside our current grasp. They are already working on a warp propulsion system (NASA affiliated peeps). And there's no telling what all they have we don't know about. Explaining it away as "you're talking crazy amounts of energy" just doesn't cut it.

Besides, I wasn't trying to debate exotic propulsion systems. It was more of a question about what would happen to the people who did set off for the stars. It's a hypothetical.
Posted by finestfirst79
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

They are already working on a warp propulsion system


Swell. But that's not really traveling at or above the speed of light. It is bending space, instead. As far as I know none of the time dilation stuff applies here.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:35 pm to
And it makes me wonder further if something like a "galactic trade federation" is possible or not. When you consider the time wonkiness stuff, unless everyone were traveling faster than light and are legit timelords types, the likelihood of being able to coordinate trade or anything of the sort between planets becomes practically nil. Because the distances between planets that would be capable of high civilization would render it impractical.

So instead, the space faring peoples will be fundamentally changed. Those people would only ever seek exploration for its own sake. That and seek higher levels of spirituality. They would be completely unencumbered.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

But that's not really traveling at or above the speed of light. It is bending space, instead. As far as I know none of the time dilation stuff applies here.


I understand that. It doesn't change the point. We have within our reach now the ability to get out there pretty quick, but not at the speed of light. Technologies that are currently in the dark and are soon to see the light. Whether it be the mass reduction spinning mercury + nuclear powered engines of the TR3B or something else more exotic we aren't privy to yet, they're out there - make no mistake.

So it just becomes a question of figuring the math as to how much time you'd miss on your round trip. If they only get to 20% of the speed of light you're still looking at quite a bit of time passing if you made a trip to Proxima B or whatever. How much time will have passed depends on the level of tech we have we don't know about yet. Can they get to half the speed of light? Neither you nor I know. But make no mistake, they have some snazzy shite sitting in some hangars out in the southwest.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 2:00 pm to
The other question that goes along with this is, would you guys go?

If someone gave you an opportunity to get into a really fast airplane and travel to another world, would you go considering everyone you currently know will be long gone when you return?

I would. I would sign up without a second thought.
Posted by Commander Data
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Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

would you guys go?



No. If the galaxy was teaming with intelligent life and I could interact with it then I would do it without hesitation but I think we are all alone. I would be down with visiting planets and moons in the Sol system though.
Posted by thatguy45
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

would you guys go?

No. Not because I am not interested in exploring the universe, and the opportunity to start over so to speak, but because I do not wish to leave loved ones behind.

I do find the concept it's self interesting, including intergalactic trade. Im sure you could find a way to make trade work without faster than light travel but you would have to have the planet be self sustaining for however many years it takes for trade to reach them, and youd have to haul enough of the goods to last until the next ship arrives. You could time the ships to leave at certain points so that there is less delay between arrivals but there will still be gaps unless you have alot of ships

There are of course some sci fi books that tackle this concept of space travel and things changing back home. One of my favorites is the forever war.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 3:09 pm to
I wouldn't be surprised to learn they already have bases on places suitable in our solar system.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 4:50 pm to
You have a very active and vivid imagination.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 5:36 pm to
I've read Vonnegut.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 9:00 pm to
quote:

Im sure you could find a way to make trade work without faster than light travel but you would have to have the planet be self sustaining for however many years it takes for trade to reach them, and youd have to haul enough of the goods to last until the next ship arrives


I don't think it would work, man. The problem is that there isn't any incentive for the people who are running your trade. The people leaving your planet with gold or whatever wouldn't have anyone to come home to.

They released some stuff the other day saying they think they could make it to our nearest habitable exoplanet in six years.

I wanna know how fast that spaceship is. Because you could then figure how much farther into the future your hypothetical logistic spacefarers would jump over a single load of cargo?

Nah, I just don't think it could happen. Anyone leaving Earth with less than light speed travel is gone forever unless they're just going somewhere here in our own solar system.

Anything outside Sol's sphere would be a one way trip, IMO.
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:55 am to
We dont need to leave the galaxy, or even the solar system. We need to figure out how to terraform Mars.
Posted by wareaglepete
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 12:13 pm to
If you believe FTL space travel could be possible, it does bring up many issues as you say. 'Forever War' was a good book brought up in this thread. Going to war with aliens and have them be centuries ahead of you in technology by the time you reach them would not be fun.
Personally, I think the only way humans travel amongst the stars is if we find wormholes or develop a way to create them. I just don't think travel that far is possible for humans. Maybe, but I don't think so. I also think if we ever encounter aliens, they will have either traveled through worm holes or if not, will be AI robotic of some sort.
Humans could try to combine with AI robotics in an effort to achieve interstellar travel. A great book on this is 'Man Plus'.
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 12:16 pm
Posted by stateofplay
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:08 pm to
Civilizations will develop faster than light travel which will make the 20k year concern irrelevant
Posted by TRUERockyTop
Appalachia
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:24 pm to
Stargates > Interstellar flights
Posted by mulletproof
Shambala
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Posted on 4/25/19 at 8:37 am to
You may want to ask the travel agent how they intend to stop this light speed traveling excursion vehicle when you get to your destination, before you sign up.
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