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Posted on 10/3/16 at 6:48 pm to Supreme Tiger
Posted on 10/3/16 at 6:48 pm to Supreme Tiger
Of the last 6 Bama QBs, how many made an NFL roster?
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Posted on 10/3/16 at 6:52 pm to the808bass
I have no idea.
How many of them were real contributors in the NFL? I don't know that either.
Are you contesting the notion that Bama had 'game managers' at qb?
How many of them were real contributors in the NFL? I don't know that either.
Are you contesting the notion that Bama had 'game managers' at qb?
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 10/3/16 at 10:52 pm to Supreme Tiger
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I can't say. I didn't really read beyond the third sentence.
Use paragraphs.
Some spacing.
Might help.
Why comment then
That was a paragraph
Sometimes spacing is not needed
Seeping Tiger...still not good at friendly tones
This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 10/3/16 at 11:40 pm to Supreme Tiger
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Are you contesting the notion that Bama had 'game managers' at qb?
I think you're catching on.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 1:11 am to the808bass
Than what did they have?
Posted on 10/4/16 at 6:13 am to Tackle74
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Read and React D-Real Problem
Here's the problem......it's not a defensive scheme where individuals can get "theirs". It's a scheme that requires discipline so the TEAM wins, not individuals.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:24 am to Wtodd
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Here's the problem......it's not a defensive scheme where individuals can get "theirs". It's a scheme that requires discipline so the TEAM wins, not individuals.
That makes sense. I can see why Odom would want to go this direction. It'll just take time.
Posted on 10/4/16 at 10:32 am to Wtodd
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Here's the problem......it's not a defensive scheme where individuals can get "theirs". It's a scheme that requires discipline so the TEAM wins, not individuals.
Yep.
Barry is more interested in building a real structure. Not smoke n mirrors.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 6:34 am to Tackle74
The reality is that the D-Line we have now are one trick ponies. Charles Harris being the best example he can only speed rush. No bull, rip, swim, spin or anything else. That's where Shipp comes and has to get these guys to use other moves. They have to be smart enough to keep their eyes in the back field recognize run or pass then disengage from the blocker and attack. They are not good enough right now to do that. Our LBs are way to slow and that has been shown through every game. Gary Pinkel dropped the ball in recruiting and that is showing up now. The good news is that Odom is getting his guys that fit the system. The logic that you run the system that fits your players the best is true to an extent but only with a few people. Coaches will take the 1% of the 1% and fit them in with a system they are not familiar with. Otherwise you run the system you and bring in players to fit that. This Defense is not for this season but the ones in the past. Instead of Mizzou doing what it normally does of applying a band-aid, Barry is trying to fix it now and recruit the top guys to come play in his systems. They did a complete overhaul of the Offense but bc its more successful fans are not complaining about it..
Posted on 10/5/16 at 7:57 am to JAGsports
I agree with every single word. My issue is the recruiting list does not look impressive. If BO is making a change then he has to bring in the recruits, I just dont see it.
Its not the protest, the best 16 recruits were added after the protest, so why the weak recruiting list?
Its not the protest, the best 16 recruits were added after the protest, so why the weak recruiting list?
Posted on 10/5/16 at 7:57 am to JAGsports
I agree with every single word. My issue is the recruiting list does not look impressive. If BO is making a change then he has to bring in the recruits, I just dont see it.
Its not the protest, the best 16 recruits were added after the protest, so why the weak recruiting list?
Its not the protest, the best 16 recruits were added after the protest, so why the weak recruiting list?
Posted on 10/5/16 at 8:16 am to JAGsports
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The reality is that the D-Line we have now are one trick ponies. Charles Harris being the best example he can only speed rush. No bull, rip, swim, spin or anything else
That just not accurate.
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"Charles Harris has a killer spin move - it's probably the best in college football... He's so powerful." - @PFF_Steve on @101espn. #Mizzou
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The assertion that we are performing poorly because all of a sudden the guys we have can't play is asinine.
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LBs are way too slow
Burkett and Newsom are both sub 4.6 guys.
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Odom is getting his guys that fit
Is he? I'm sure he's trying, but we don't have many defensive commits and none on the DL at the moment.
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Pinkel dropped the ball in recruiting
His recruiting late in his tenure was essentially the same as it always was. I agree he didn't seem into it in his final year, but aside from that I don't see this comment as accurate either
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applying a band-aid. Barry is trying to fix it
But here is the inherent problem. There was nothing to fix. For the past several years Mizzou has been at least solid on defense and in some years very good. They had developed an identity along the DL and we're getting results.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 9:03 am to JesusQuintana
Here's the thing you showed his spin move against a school that I have no idea who they are. Arkansas state? And a true freshman LT. But that Spin move did nothing bc by the time the QB got done with a 5 step drop out of the gun the ball was gone. I was the biggest Charles Harris fan and blamed Shipp and Cross for his performance till someone told me to watch the tape bc it doesn't lie. So many times Harris is stood up at POA bc he can't disengage from the Tackle. I never said they can't play but are one dimensional. That's where coaching has to come in and teach them more pass rush moves. Charles Harried reminds me of Dee Ford, quick first step but if that is taken away he is done. Compare the LB's coming who are having monster seasons in HS they are bigger and supposedly faster. Just Bc someone is sub 4.6 doesnt mean they play that fast. The '12 '13 and '14 classes were not that good. Yes, Mizzou had some solid Defenses but against bigger teams they didnt hold up, mainly against running teams
Posted on 10/5/16 at 9:19 am to JAGsports
Here is one where he destroys the LT from Florida if you like that better.
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Or the PFF analyst saying he had the best spin move in college football should suffice as well.
Facts are, Harris is a very complete pass rusher. He has a great speed rush, spin move and bull rush. Or at least he was until we neutered our DL.
Again, this all goes back to the point people keep trying to make about "fixing" the defense. There was nothing to fix and Odom should have known that better than anyone. There are limitations and weaknesses in every scheme. Even the revered read and react. We had something we did, and did well for a long time. We had an identity. We had a recruiting pitch. I mean, I guess we still have one but I'd rather use "Hey kid. Want to come play in a fun, attacking defense that pumps out NFL players?" Vs "Well, we suck monkey balls so if you are any good you can probably play early"
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Or the PFF analyst saying he had the best spin move in college football should suffice as well.
Facts are, Harris is a very complete pass rusher. He has a great speed rush, spin move and bull rush. Or at least he was until we neutered our DL.
Again, this all goes back to the point people keep trying to make about "fixing" the defense. There was nothing to fix and Odom should have known that better than anyone. There are limitations and weaknesses in every scheme. Even the revered read and react. We had something we did, and did well for a long time. We had an identity. We had a recruiting pitch. I mean, I guess we still have one but I'd rather use "Hey kid. Want to come play in a fun, attacking defense that pumps out NFL players?" Vs "Well, we suck monkey balls so if you are any good you can probably play early"
Posted on 10/5/16 at 9:51 am to surgicalvenom
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so why the weak recruiting list?
It looks weak to you. Anyone ever here of Aldon Smith or Charles Harris when we signed them?
Posted on 10/5/16 at 11:22 am to JesusQuintana
That was a good spin move. People want to fix a Defense that is based on Smoke and Mirrors. Upper Echelon teams destroyed us. That's the point
Posted on 10/5/16 at 12:30 pm to JAGsports
That's nonsense.
Also, there is no scheme that is going to hide talent deficiency.
Also, there is no scheme that is going to hide talent deficiency.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:03 pm to JesusQuintana
I don't disagree. We have a talent deficiency that's for sure.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:13 pm to JesusQuintana
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That's nonsense.
Also, there is no scheme that is going to hide talent deficiency.
I don't know about any specific "scheme" but better coaching than the opponent can most definitely can do that.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 1:25 pm to JAGsports
I've never seen so many enormous running lanes when a team has 8 guys in the box, never in my life. That's a scheme issue.
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